THE BLOG OF A PEDOPHILE WHO PREYS ON THE MOMS FIRST!

Parents' Ire Grows at Pedophile's Blog
By JENNIFER STEINHAUER

The search for the self-described pedophile in the large-brimmed black hat commences nearly every day here, with findings posted on chat rooms frequented by mothers.
He was spotted at a fair in Santa Clarita. He recently emerged from the Social Security office on Olympic Boulevard. He tapped away on a computer at the library in Mar Vista. Warnings have gone out. Signs have been posted.

And yet unlike convicted sex offenders, who are required to stay away from places that cater to children, in this case the police can do next to nothing, because this man, Jack McClellan, who has had Web sites detailing how and where he likes to troll for children, appears to be doing nothing illegal.

But his mere presence in Los Angeles -- coupled with Mr. McClellan’s commitment to exhibitionistic blogging about his thoughts on little girls -- has set parents on edge. One group of mothers, whose members by and large have never met before, will soon band together in a coffee shop to hammer out plans to push lawmakers in Sacramento to legislate Mr. McClellan out of business.

"Just the idea that this person could get away with what he was doing and no one could press charges has made me angry," said Jane Thompson, a stay-at-home mother in East Los Angeles who recently read Mr. McClellan's comments about a festival in her neighborhood in which he seemed to be describing her child.

Ms. Thompson is part of a movement to make it illegal to post images of children of any type on Web sites with sexual content or themes. "It became what I call a minor obsession of mine for the next six weeks," she said, "to get to know his crowd and the things they talk about."

Two months ago, Mr. McClellan said, he was more or less run out of Washington State, where he lived off and on with his parents, after the news media there and various Web sites drew attention to his activities, making him worry about his safety and that of his family. He had been posting nonsexual pictures of children on a Web site intended to promote the acceptance of pedophiles, and to direct other pedophiles to events and places where children tended to gather.

So he moved to Los Angeles, where he was born, to try to live a Southern California version of his former life. The climate was one draw, said Mr. McClellan in an interview near this reporter's office last week. But also "there are so many world-class children's attractions here, Disneyland, festivals and whatnot."

Mr. McClellan has refrained from posting pictures of children on his Web site, which was shut down by its host several weeks ago but which he intends to start again, he said, with a Dutch host. On the site, he has described fairs, festivals and other spots that he hits at least three days a week, all to the fury of parents.

It is both his actions and inactions that vex law enforcement officials here, who, while suggesting that they keep an eye on Mr. McClellan when they can, say they have no legal recourse against him.

"If you look at things he has posted, he clearly is a pedophile," said Lt. Thomas Sirkel, who works in the Special Victim' Unit of the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.

"Has he acted on it? I can't say," Lieutenant Sirkel said. "But I've been in this business for 20 years, and I have never seen one who has not."

Mr. McClellan, who is 45, refers to himself as a pedophile, but says he has never actually sexually touched a child, simply "embraced them in a nonsexual way, mostly in Latin American countries." He says he has never been convicted of a sex crime, and law enforcement officials in Los Angeles say they know of no convictions.

A check of available public records yielded no criminal history for Mr. McClellan, including under another name he said he used. Mr. McClellan, who said he was adopted, said he changed his name to that of his birth mother several years ago.

Lieutenant Sirkel would not say whether his department had Mr. McClellan under surveillance.

"Why should I tell him about our tactics?" Lieutenant Sirkel said. But he added: "I'd like to know where he is at, what he is doing and watch him awhile. I think he is possibly a dangerous man. In my opinion, he is a threat to children in this community, and people in the community are real concerned about him."

Two Web-based groups, Peachhead, which caters largely to mothers on the West Side of Los Angeles, and Booby Brigade, its counterpart across town, have been abuzz with chatter about "Jack" sightings, and some parents have taken to posting photos of him in parks, downloaded from the Web.

"This one really angered people," said Linda Perry, who runs Peachhead, referring to Mr. McClellan.

Mr. McClellan has been somewhat elusive. He lives largely in his car, he said, although he says he occasionally rents rooms. Asked how he makes a living, he would say only that he lives off of "public assistance, the kind where you're not allowed to work."

The parental reactions somewhat mirror those in the novel and film "Little Children," in which a community becomes enraged at the notion of a convicted sex offender living in their midst, and chase him down at every turn. Although Mr. McClellan is not similarly pursued, parents who recognize him at events often scream at him, he said, and he fears for his safety enough that he would not meet a reporter in a public place.

Law enforcement officials have clearly taken notice -- one mother posted on PeachheadFamilies.com about her husband, a location scout for films, being asked to leave a park where he was using his camera. Mothers from Pasadena to Marina del Rey will soon gather to discuss possible legislative options, Ms. Thompson said.

Theirs will most likely be a difficult road. While posting pictures of children in sexual situations is a felony, posting them fully clothed in everyday situations is not, even in the context of sexualizing them by proxy, so to speak, First Amendment scholars said. Further, while inciting others to commit crimes can be illegal, it is unclear whether giving people links to children's book fairs is criminal.

"It is an interesting case," said Eugene Volokh, a law professor and First Amendment expert at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Professor Volokh cited a federal statute that bars the posting of bomb-making information on the Web, and suggested that a similar statute banning information that helps people find children to molest could be enacted, perhaps. But simply providing information about where children gather was not likely to constitute such a crime, he said.

In terms of children's images, he said: "The general rule is pictures of people in public are free for people to publish. Now if it is without permission and the person is a child and he suggests the children are sexual targets, you can imagine a court saying this is a new First Amendment exception. But it would be an uphill battle."

So for now, then, many Angelenos will continue to track and record Mr. McClellan's every move. Ms. Perry of Peachhead noted that the city was full of convicted child molesters.

"At least we know who he is and what he looks like," she said.

Alain Delaquérière contributed reporting from New York.

THE BLOG OF A PEDOPHILE WHO PREYS ON THE MOMS FIRST!

Parents' Ire Grows at Pedophile's Blog
By JENNIFER STEINHAUER

The search for the self-described pedophile in the large-brimmed black hat commences nearly every day here, with findings posted on chat rooms frequented by mothers.
He was spotted at a fair in Santa Clarita. He recently emerged from the Social Security office on Olympic Boulevard. He tapped away on a computer at the library in Mar Vista. Warnings have gone out. Signs have been posted.

And yet unlike convicted sex offenders, who are required to stay away from places that cater to children, in this case the police can do next to nothing, because this man, Jack McClellan, who has had Web sites detailing how and where he likes to troll for children, appears to be doing nothing illegal.

But his mere presence in Los Angeles -- coupled with Mr. McClellan’s commitment to exhibitionistic blogging about his thoughts on little girls -- has set parents on edge. One group of mothers, whose members by and large have never met before, will soon band together in a coffee shop to hammer out plans to push lawmakers in Sacramento to legislate Mr. McClellan out of business.

"Just the idea that this person could get away with what he was doing and no one could press charges has made me angry," said Jane Thompson, a stay-at-home mother in East Los Angeles who recently read Mr. McClellan's comments about a festival in her neighborhood in which he seemed to be describing her child.

Ms. Thompson is part of a movement to make it illegal to post images of children of any type on Web sites with sexual content or themes. "It became what I call a minor obsession of mine for the next six weeks," she said, "to get to know his crowd and the things they talk about."

Two months ago, Mr. McClellan said, he was more or less run out of Washington State, where he lived off and on with his parents, after the news media there and various Web sites drew attention to his activities, making him worry about his safety and that of his family. He had been posting nonsexual pictures of children on a Web site intended to promote the acceptance of pedophiles, and to direct other pedophiles to events and places where children tended to gather.

So he moved to Los Angeles, where he was born, to try to live a Southern California version of his former life. The climate was one draw, said Mr. McClellan in an interview near this reporter's office last week. But also "there are so many world-class children's attractions here, Disneyland, festivals and whatnot."

Mr. McClellan has refrained from posting pictures of children on his Web site, which was shut down by its host several weeks ago but which he intends to start again, he said, with a Dutch host. On the site, he has described fairs, festivals and other spots that he hits at least three days a week, all to the fury of parents.

It is both his actions and inactions that vex law enforcement officials here, who, while suggesting that they keep an eye on Mr. McClellan when they can, say they have no legal recourse against him.

"If you look at things he has posted, he clearly is a pedophile," said Lt. Thomas Sirkel, who works in the Special Victim' Unit of the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.

"Has he acted on it? I can't say," Lieutenant Sirkel said. "But I've been in this business for 20 years, and I have never seen one who has not."

Mr. McClellan, who is 45, refers to himself as a pedophile, but says he has never actually sexually touched a child, simply "embraced them in a nonsexual way, mostly in Latin American countries." He says he has never been convicted of a sex crime, and law enforcement officials in Los Angeles say they know of no convictions.

A check of available public records yielded no criminal history for Mr. McClellan, including under another name he said he used. Mr. McClellan, who said he was adopted, said he changed his name to that of his birth mother several years ago.

Lieutenant Sirkel would not say whether his department had Mr. McClellan under surveillance.

"Why should I tell him about our tactics?" Lieutenant Sirkel said. But he added: "I'd like to know where he is at, what he is doing and watch him awhile. I think he is possibly a dangerous man. In my opinion, he is a threat to children in this community, and people in the community are real concerned about him."

Two Web-based groups, Peachhead, which caters largely to mothers on the West Side of Los Angeles, and Booby Brigade, its counterpart across town, have been abuzz with chatter about "Jack" sightings, and some parents have taken to posting photos of him in parks, downloaded from the Web.

"This one really angered people," said Linda Perry, who runs Peachhead, referring to Mr. McClellan.

Mr. McClellan has been somewhat elusive. He lives largely in his car, he said, although he says he occasionally rents rooms. Asked how he makes a living, he would say only that he lives off of "public assistance, the kind where you're not allowed to work."

The parental reactions somewhat mirror those in the novel and film "Little Children," in which a community becomes enraged at the notion of a convicted sex offender living in their midst, and chase him down at every turn. Although Mr. McClellan is not similarly pursued, parents who recognize him at events often scream at him, he said, and he fears for his safety enough that he would not meet a reporter in a public place.

Law enforcement officials have clearly taken notice -- one mother posted on PeachheadFamilies.com about her husband, a location scout for films, being asked to leave a park where he was using his camera. Mothers from Pasadena to Marina del Rey will soon gather to discuss possible legislative options, Ms. Thompson said.

Theirs will most likely be a difficult road. While posting pictures of children in sexual situations is a felony, posting them fully clothed in everyday situations is not, even in the context of sexualizing them by proxy, so to speak, First Amendment scholars said. Further, while inciting others to commit crimes can be illegal, it is unclear whether giving people links to children's book fairs is criminal.

"It is an interesting case," said Eugene Volokh, a law professor and First Amendment expert at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Professor Volokh cited a federal statute that bars the posting of bomb-making information on the Web, and suggested that a similar statute banning information that helps people find children to molest could be enacted, perhaps. But simply providing information about where children gather was not likely to constitute such a crime, he said.

In terms of children's images, he said: "The general rule is pictures of people in public are free for people to publish. Now if it is without permission and the person is a child and he suggests the children are sexual targets, you can imagine a court saying this is a new First Amendment exception. But it would be an uphill battle."

So for now, then, many Angelenos will continue to track and record Mr. McClellan's every move. Ms. Perry of Peachhead noted that the city was full of convicted child molesters.

"At least we know who he is and what he looks like," she said.

Alain Delaquérière contributed reporting from New York.

MySpace LOADED with Sex Offenders (surprise?)

MySpace deletes 29,000 sex offender profiles
New figure is more than four times the number originally cited by company

MySpace.com has found and deleted more than 29,000 registered sex offenders with profiles on the popular social networking Web site — more than four times the number cited by the company two months ago, officials in two states Tuesday.

North Carolina’s Roy Cooper is one of several attorneys general who recently demanded the News Corp.-owned Web site provide data on how many registered sex offenders were using the popular social networking site, along with information about where they live.

After initially withholding the information, citing federal privacy laws, MySpace began sharing the information in May after the states filed formal legal requests.

At the time, MySpace said it had already used a database it helped create to remove about 7,000 profiles of sex offenders, out of a total of about 180 million profiles on the site.

Cooper’s office said Tuesday, however, that now the figure has risen past 29,000.

“I’m absolutely astonished and appalled because the number has grown so exponentially over so short of time with no explanation,” said Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal, who also had pressed the company earlier for sex offender data.

MySpace declined to comment on the figure, focusing instead on its efforts to clean up its profile rolls.

“We’re pleased that we’ve successfully identified and removed registered sex offenders from our site and hope that other social networking sites follow our lead,” MySpace chief security officer Hemanshu Nigam said in a prepared statement.

Cooper is pushing for a state law that would require children to receive parental permission before creating social networking profiles, and require the Web sites to verify the parents’ identity and age. For example, social networking sites would have to compare information provided by a parent with commercial databases. Sites could also force parents to submit credit cards or printed forms.

Cooper is working with law enforcement officials in other states in pressuring MySpace to use age and identity verification methods voluntarily. Based on media reports, Cooper’s office found more than 100 criminal incidents this year of adults using MySpace to prey or attempt to prey on children.

Most recently, a Virginia man pleaded guilty Monday to kidnapping and soliciting a 14-year old girl he met on MySpace.

“All we’re doing is giving parents the right to make a choice whether their children can go online,” Cooper told a state House committee considering the bill on parental involvement and verification. He said the measure would lead to “fewer children at risk, because there will be fewer children on those Web sites.”

Advocates for Internet companies and privacy issues testified against the proposed restrictions, saying the broad parental verification standards would be found unconstitutional because they prohibit free speech or impede interstate commerce. The experts who testified also said Cooper’s idea isn’t foolproof, because children could fabricate their parents’ information and purported consent.

The parental verification requirement “makes promises to consumers that cannot be kept. It is dangerous language,” said Emily Hackett, executive director of the Washington-based Internet Alliance, whose clients include Time Warner Inc.’s AOL, Yahoo Inc. and VeriSign Inc. “There is no way to eyeball a user.”

The bill has already passed the North Carolina Senate. Now it goes to a House subcommittee for more consideration.

State Sen. Walter Dalton, a Democrat who is a primary sponsor of the bill, acknowledged that it won’t stop all sexual predators from getting on social networking sites. But he said it addresses a problem that shouldn’t be ignored, Dalton said.

“There is obviously a compelling state interest to protect our children from sexual predators,” he said.

OR FROM SEX PREDATORS WHO PREY ON OTHER ADULTS!!!

ORIGINAL ARTICLE

MySpace LOADED with Sex Offenders (surprise?)

MySpace deletes 29,000 sex offender profiles
New figure is more than four times the number originally cited by company

MySpace.com has found and deleted more than 29,000 registered sex offenders with profiles on the popular social networking Web site — more than four times the number cited by the company two months ago, officials in two states Tuesday.

North Carolina’s Roy Cooper is one of several attorneys general who recently demanded the News Corp.-owned Web site provide data on how many registered sex offenders were using the popular social networking site, along with information about where they live.

After initially withholding the information, citing federal privacy laws, MySpace began sharing the information in May after the states filed formal legal requests.

At the time, MySpace said it had already used a database it helped create to remove about 7,000 profiles of sex offenders, out of a total of about 180 million profiles on the site.

Cooper’s office said Tuesday, however, that now the figure has risen past 29,000.

“I’m absolutely astonished and appalled because the number has grown so exponentially over so short of time with no explanation,” said Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal, who also had pressed the company earlier for sex offender data.

MySpace declined to comment on the figure, focusing instead on its efforts to clean up its profile rolls.

“We’re pleased that we’ve successfully identified and removed registered sex offenders from our site and hope that other social networking sites follow our lead,” MySpace chief security officer Hemanshu Nigam said in a prepared statement.

Cooper is pushing for a state law that would require children to receive parental permission before creating social networking profiles, and require the Web sites to verify the parents’ identity and age. For example, social networking sites would have to compare information provided by a parent with commercial databases. Sites could also force parents to submit credit cards or printed forms.

Cooper is working with law enforcement officials in other states in pressuring MySpace to use age and identity verification methods voluntarily. Based on media reports, Cooper’s office found more than 100 criminal incidents this year of adults using MySpace to prey or attempt to prey on children.

Most recently, a Virginia man pleaded guilty Monday to kidnapping and soliciting a 14-year old girl he met on MySpace.

“All we’re doing is giving parents the right to make a choice whether their children can go online,” Cooper told a state House committee considering the bill on parental involvement and verification. He said the measure would lead to “fewer children at risk, because there will be fewer children on those Web sites.”

Advocates for Internet companies and privacy issues testified against the proposed restrictions, saying the broad parental verification standards would be found unconstitutional because they prohibit free speech or impede interstate commerce. The experts who testified also said Cooper’s idea isn’t foolproof, because children could fabricate their parents’ information and purported consent.

The parental verification requirement “makes promises to consumers that cannot be kept. It is dangerous language,” said Emily Hackett, executive director of the Washington-based Internet Alliance, whose clients include Time Warner Inc.’s AOL, Yahoo Inc. and VeriSign Inc. “There is no way to eyeball a user.”

The bill has already passed the North Carolina Senate. Now it goes to a House subcommittee for more consideration.

State Sen. Walter Dalton, a Democrat who is a primary sponsor of the bill, acknowledged that it won’t stop all sexual predators from getting on social networking sites. But he said it addresses a problem that shouldn’t be ignored, Dalton said.

“There is obviously a compelling state interest to protect our children from sexual predators,” he said.

OR FROM SEX PREDATORS WHO PREY ON OTHER ADULTS!!!

ORIGINAL ARTICLE

SOURED INTERNET ROMANCE LEDS TO MURDER SUICIDE

For every single time we hear that stupid line that ALL Cyberpaths use "he/she is just scorned" - we see one of these stories. So who was scorned here, the murder victim? We think not.

By Jon Paepcke

(AL) New details have emerged about the murder-suicide that shocked a Hoover neighborhood over the weekend.

Hoover police found a 63-year-old man and 35-year-old woman shot to death in the front yard of a house on Alford Avenue early Sunday morning. Investigators said the man shot the woman, then killed himself. Now one of the victim's friends said the couple's relationship started out on an internet dating service called Sugardaddie.com.

The friend asked for her identity to be concealed, but recalled how excited her friend was about her new online acquaintance.

“He seemed like a nice person and she thought they could along well,” the victim’s friend said.

According to the victim’s friend, however, all that changed when the man moved to Alabama. He moved all the way from Florida to live with the woman at the Alford Avenue house.

The victim's friend claimed the couple's relationship quickly worsened. She said the man was always driving by where the victim worked and called her constantly, sometimes making threats.

“I could hear him screaming at her through the telephone,” she said.

Hoover police were even called out to the Alford Avenue house to stand by while the victim moved out, but her friend said she couldn't stay away.

“Everyone advised her to leave him, because they were scared for her and her safety, and she just didn't do it,” she said.

Sugardaddie.com offers online dating tips on its website, at one point saying “never be forced, tempted, or controlled into any situation where you're not comfortable. Life is for living. Enjoy it to its fullest, but be safe and smart while doing this.”

The victim’s friend hopes the murder will warn other internet mate seekers to be more careful.

“Just make sure you do research before you go and meet someone that you don't know,” she said. (or get married no matter how well you 'think' you know this person!!)

The names of the man and woman are still not being made public. Assistant Police Chief A.C. Roper said they've been unable to find the man's next of kin in Florida and until they do, they're withholding the identify of both.

Sunday's incident was Hoover’s second murder suicide in two weeks. Police found another couple shot to death on Colesbury Circle on July 8.

ORIGINAL POST

SOURED INTERNET ROMANCE LEDS TO MURDER SUICIDE

For every single time we hear that stupid line that ALL Cyberpaths use "he/she is just scorned" - we see one of these stories. So who was scorned here, the murder victim? We think not.

By Jon Paepcke

(AL) New details have emerged about the murder-suicide that shocked a Hoover neighborhood over the weekend.

Hoover police found a 63-year-old man and 35-year-old woman shot to death in the front yard of a house on Alford Avenue early Sunday morning. Investigators said the man shot the woman, then killed himself. Now one of the victim's friends said the couple's relationship started out on an internet dating service called Sugardaddie.com.

The friend asked for her identity to be concealed, but recalled how excited her friend was about her new online acquaintance.

“He seemed like a nice person and she thought they could along well,” the victim’s friend said.

According to the victim’s friend, however, all that changed when the man moved to Alabama. He moved all the way from Florida to live with the woman at the Alford Avenue house.

The victim's friend claimed the couple's relationship quickly worsened. She said the man was always driving by where the victim worked and called her constantly, sometimes making threats.

“I could hear him screaming at her through the telephone,” she said.

Hoover police were even called out to the Alford Avenue house to stand by while the victim moved out, but her friend said she couldn't stay away.

“Everyone advised her to leave him, because they were scared for her and her safety, and she just didn't do it,” she said.

Sugardaddie.com offers online dating tips on its website, at one point saying “never be forced, tempted, or controlled into any situation where you're not comfortable. Life is for living. Enjoy it to its fullest, but be safe and smart while doing this.”

The victim’s friend hopes the murder will warn other internet mate seekers to be more careful.

“Just make sure you do research before you go and meet someone that you don't know,” she said. (or get married no matter how well you 'think' you know this person!!)

The names of the man and woman are still not being made public. Assistant Police Chief A.C. Roper said they've been unable to find the man's next of kin in Florida and until they do, they're withholding the identify of both.

Sunday's incident was Hoover’s second murder suicide in two weeks. Police found another couple shot to death on Colesbury Circle on July 8.

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FINAL NOTE ON DUNETZ/ YIDWITHLID & A WORD ABOUT CYBERPATHS

An update and final note on Jeff Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YidwithLid for this rerun of his expose. This is a great example of what these predators do when they catch on that they've been exposed.





Do you think they - Apologize? Get Help? Admit What They've Done? Make Amends to the Victim(s)? No! As we have said, cyberpaths are narcissists or sociopaths at their core and those persons never ever apologize. Or if they do they will close the "I'm Sorry" with "but you..."



Jeff Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YidwithLid went into a psychopathic rage when he found out his story was here. So he decided to go after the person he thinks is posting it - his Target #1.



Reality: Target #2 first contacted us and from there EOPC contacted Target #1. Target #1 told her story to us a few months out of a treatment program for severe PTSD caused by her relationship with Jeff Dunetz/ Yidwithlid /GRIDNEY - and her counselors told her "don't let it tear you up inside - TELL."



EOPC also warned her what this predator might do. But posting it herself here? She did not. Dunetz/ Yidwithlid thinks she controls the internet, it seems! All of them blame their targets or other victims on this site. ALL OF THEM!



This expose was the second one to come with law enforcement verification (the first was "Ed" Charles Hicks). Typically, Jeff Dunetz/ YIDWITHLID is now telling people it's "all made up" and to top that off - he thinks Target #1 is us and is telling OTHERS that she is EOPC!

MR. Dunetz- if you are reading this - there are four (4) people that run this site and neither your Target #1 or Target #2 is one of them. Also, we get an affidavit from everyone who tells us their story that this is the truth and would hold up in a court of law. Everyone.



Mr. Dunetz, you are the one keeping this story alive by having a tantrum every time you see something. This the third time we have re-run it. Other sites have picked it up and our policy is - we refuse to remove unless there's legal confirmation. We were asked to remove your story in March 2007 by Target #1. We declined when those who run this site found out what you were up to; attacking and threatening your victims. More than one person confirmed this story as did law enforcement for us in 2004. And we don't negotiate with terrorists.



If you would like to write a genuine apology, acknowledging ALL your actions and why you coerced these vulnerable persons - we would be more than happy to post it for you. You must have back up and be willing to sign a release that YOU will take full responsibility for what is posted and its veracity. Your victims had no problem doing that.

Initially Yidwithlid posted his version of events on his blog and later removed it.



His target answered Jeff Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID's version of events and says she made efforts to everything about him taken down. Most sites? Simply will not without a court document and even then some won't. On the site she details her efforts to get postings of him on other sites that used his real name taken down, even though Target #1 wasn't the one who put them there, and how futile it was.



Jeff Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID sees the actions of all others against him as the fault of only Target #1. ha ha ha



As to Dunetz/ GRIDNEY's version, upon reading it, we found it did not make a lot of sense, it was very watered down, confusing and had a lot of gaps in it covered by statements of "love" for his wife and what a good person he is. (example: Dunetz left out his lunch hour hooker habit and porn addiction which started years before he even looked up Target #1. Nor does he mention Target #2; perhaps they are still involved?)



Worse -- his version had astoundingly icy statements in it like "I stopped cybering with her and started cybering with someone else." Boom, just like that. No explanation -- just talking about his victims like objects.



Considering the tremendous devastation he visited on Target #1 and her family, he's lucky -- because he destroyed this woman's life and thought nothing of her but sex. And thought the same of her friend, Target #2 - who is also a real person not a thing. His own statements reveal his severe pathology.



Dunetz's defense was stock phrases like "hell hath no fury" or "the rest is history". The 'woman scorned' nonsense is a time-worn defense that even the legal system knows is bull these days. Without fail, every single Cyberpath who has been exposed here and subsequently threatens us - use this same defense in addition to calling their Targets crazy, stalkers, liars and accusing them of slander & defamation. It is so predictable it gets monotonous.



After publishing this blog for as many years as we have now - an accusation by a Cyberpath that their Target is a 'nutjob' is, to us, a confirmation to EOPC that the Cyberpath is lying and projecting and that the Targets have told us the truth.



We have contacted Target #1 and told her that she has a good libel case against Jeff Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID and that he is so fixated on blaming her for everything that went wrong in his life. (he accuses Target #1 of: 'hurting his wife' by telling her the truth and the latest: 'driving his mother to a heart attack' - which Target #1 denies even knowing what he's referring to on her site and provides proofs to that effect. He even tells people it's HER fault he's unemployed - NOT that HE used hookers, posted on hooker review boards and used phone & internet sex sites) so please use caution as he seems to be a loose canon.



His attack, like all of them, against someone he drove to the brink - is typical of the misogyny or misandry of Cyberpaths - done simultaneously as they swear they love their partners/ spouses.



(Cyberpaths paint the wife/husband/partner as ALL GOOD and the victims who dare to tell the truth as ALL BAD by comparing them. This is paramoralizing nonsense; typical of the black & white thinking of a pathological person. The partners AND the victims are probably the ALL GOOD - it is the Cyberpath who is ALL BAD.)



As with all Cyberpaths - their image is everything. They hurt their victims as if they were nothing and they use people like objects. So readers, look below at what the rage of one Cyberpath does - and then see for yourself if Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID's words are the words of a rational, normal human being.







OTHER CYBERPATHS - SAME PATTERN

Mike Campbell went to court with one of his victims trying to shut her up. He also assumed that she is one who posted about him all over the web. Wrong.



We heard from three (3) other of his victims (who did not want their emails published because they are scared of Mr. Campbell or their families) confirming the sort of person he is and his predatory tactics.



Supposedly Campbell's tried to control the whole internet to stop the truth about him being out. Just like Dunetz/ Yidwithlid - Campbell is blaming one person for posting him everywhere. The truth is that our stories often get picked up by other sites. Also, other victims will hide behind the story of a victim who is brave enough to come forward - and then post the story themselves.



Why do these Cyberpaths pick on that one person? Probably because they are the most truthful. Remember our posts about who Cyberpaths' target? The best and brightest among us. Predators usually pick the most moral, compassionate and truthful person to smear because 'mud sticks best to a clean spot.'



"Ed" Charles Hicks (aka Charles Greene) is back online on various dating sites, writing numerous women with a system so he can keep them all straight. Rumor has it he's writing a book to tell his truth - i.e.: that his last two wives set him up just to get on T.V. and ruin his life. Not a word about the thousands of dollars he stole from them, the ruined lives or his year in jail. Not a word that all the facts about him were independently verified by the Assistant D.A. in Virginia. Remember: these predators CREATE THEIR ONE VERSION OF REALITY AND LIVE THERE!



And Mr. Hicks is currently a known felon who spent time in jail. So EOPC wishes Mr. Hicks good luck finding a publisher - maybe O.J. can give him some advice there if they end up in jail together.



BRAD DORSKY, STEVEN LANGLEY GUY & KEITH CLIVE have all come here multiple times, surfing only their stories and lashing out at us and usually the person they "think" has exposed them.



PHIL HABERMAN dragged his victim to court - of course wrong state, wrong venue - and isn't getting what he wants. In fact - Phil's looking crazier all the time.



If only they'd put that energy towards getting long term psychological help.



We have had Cyberpaths write us as their "alleged other victims" or their "lawyer" (btw - all the same IP) demanding & threatening us to remove them. Not asking, not providing us with anything other than their rageful demands.



We hold everyone to the same standard. YOUR WORDS ARE NOT PROOF. We must have verification and you must sign an affidavit that if you are lying you can be prosecuted for perjury and holding EOPC harmless. (fyi - we do not want Social Insurance/ Security numbers or credit card information!)



We have yet to remove anyone permanently with one except - at the request of a deeply harmed victim who was threatened with serious bodily harm by her Cyberpath. We also pass all threats to appropriate law enforcement.



We agree with AA and other recovery organizations that FULL DISCLOSURE can be very helpful in healing from the trauma and emotional rape caused by these Narcissistic, Sociopathic predators.



We have had Cyberpaths or their buddies try to join our mail list support group. That won't be happening. Sometimes we are lucky enough to have some help on those occasions.



We are constantly surprised, but not shocked, at the anger & rage these Cyberpaths have at being exposed! It is not an anger management problem. Narcissistic & sociopathic types do no have a problem with their anger - they have a problem with their victims being angry. Their victims are simply objects to them so "how dare they" feel pain, become ill, attempt suicide, have PTSD, complain or expose them. That's how sick and soul-less Cyberpaths are.



Cyberpaths will say "but they did it too!" (or "she's a cheater, too!!" or "she KNEW it was wrong") Oh, Really?

• Were they aware you were using & grooming them, slowly brainwashing and telling them you had feelings for/ or were 'in love with' them?



• Were they aware that you didn't care one bit about them other than what kicks you could get from them?



• Did your victims know you had other prey on the hook, or were a sex addict, or a bigamist, or a fraud?



• Did they know when you said "I care about you" or "I love you" you were lying?

In Mr. Dunetz's case - we ask him: Did your victims know you'd been seeing hookers on your lunch hours since 2000? Spending money on online porn and cybering with professional cyber-whores? Spending money on phone sex? Did they know? Or did you make them think they were the ONE AND ONLY? and you'd NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE?



You know the answer to that, Sir. So you also know where to put your blame-shifting of "they were married and knew what they were getting into" and "it takes two to tango" baloney.

If so, they DID NOT 'do it too.' They are human beings capable of something you are not - honest feelings. And they have every right to their hurt, anger and need to have some sort of closure.



But don't expect the Cyberpath to feel shame, sorrow or remorse. Ever.



Shame on any Cyberpath who attacks their victims! Talking, telling the truth and being kind would get you a lot farther than raging against victimized people.

HERE'S SOME EMAIL WE GOT FROM Duntez/ GRIDNEY/YidwithLid IN RESPONSE TO OUR REQUEST FOR HIM TO REMOVE SOME OF THE POSTS HE LIFTED IN FULL, GRAPHICS INCLUDED, FROM EOPC AND PLACED HERE

(he's since taken them down with zero admission that he did something wrong or an apology at his grave mistake!):







EOPC'S INITIAL EMAIL (SENT Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID & TO BLOGGER) -

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OUR POST ALONG WITH OUR COMMENTS & GRAPHICS WERE TAKEN WHICH CONSTITUTES COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT:

This is to advise you that you are using copyrighted and protected material on your website/blog. Your illegal, unauthorized use of http://cyberpaths.blogspot.com/2006/03/j-open-mouth-insert-keyboard.html article at your site: A STUMBLING TCHATZKAH -- is originally from our blog called EXPOSING ONLINE PREDATORS & CYBERPATHS . This is original content and we are the author and copyright holder to the chat.

The IPs we have for your site are: 69.112.162.87 and 69.112.161.215

On the sidebar of our main site we give any exposed cyberpath the right to rebuttal along with the same burden of hard proof, along with a signed notarized statement that what they are saying is the truth along with copies of any pertinent documentation.



We also have our copyright/ usage rules there . Use of copyright protected material without permission is illegal under copyright laws.



Please take the following action immediately:

Remove the plagiarized material immediately.



We expect you to do so now within 24 hours as per prior notification.



Thank you for your immediate action on this matter.



Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths

IC3.gov -- Complaint Id: I0706271709542032

Filed with ChillingEffects.org



(we also filed a DMCA Complaint)

Dunetz /GRIDNEY'S BIZARRE RESPONSES TO OUR CC OF THE ABOVE TO HIM:

from "Yidwithlid@XXX.com"

to cyberpaths@gmail.com

date Jun 24, 2007 5:04 PM

subject Re: http://stumblingtchatzkahs.blogspot.com



dear cyberpaths

I published it for educational purposes also. It teaches people how one overzealous psycopahth can take slander from a sick women and post them on a website without knowin what the truth is. Or how one sick individtual can do her best to drive my mom to a heart attack.



You are a sick individual and so is your friend [Target #1]. Dont be surprised I circulate it even more, If She is determined to keep this up. I will make sure the world will know what a mom of two spends her time doing ..instead of taking car of her children.

_________________



from "Yidwithlid@XXX.com"

to cyberpaths@gmail.com

date Jun 25, 2007 6:35 PM

subject Re: http://stumblingtchatzkahs.blogspot.com



you got my response yesterday...If you dont stop with this nonsense I will add stumbling tchatkes to every blog aggrigator I can find. Your choice [Target #1's name]

__________________



from "Yidwithlid@XXX.com"

to cyberpaths@gmail.com

cc support@blogger.com

date Jun 27, 2007 7:19 PM

subject Re: http://stumblingtchatzkahs.blogspot.com



but [Target #1's name] if I wrote the chat I am the copywrite holder...and if I didnt then take it down and I will

___________________



from "Yidwithlid@XX.com"

to cyberpaths@gmail.com

date Jun 28, 2007 6:49 PM

subject Re: http://stumblingtchatzkahs.blogspot.com



hope you are enjoying the convention in eurpe [Target #1]

____________________



from "yidwithlid@XX.com" hide details Jun 29

to cyberpaths@gmail.com

date Jun 29, 2007 3:12 PM

subject Re: http://stumblingtchatzkahs.blogspot.com



Hey [Target #1's name]...haven't you gone to the site? I left you a present..You enjoying the pacific northwest?

_______________

(didn't he just accuse her of being in Europe the day before? Is he on medication or what?)

As stated, NOTE that Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID addresses EOPC as if we are Target #1. We still can't figure out these emails but he did verify for us that he is probably a pathological man, a textbook-predictable Narcissist and a Cyberpath. (He has even gone so far as to tell some of our detractors we are his Target #1)

"The [exposed Cyberpath] on the other hand, cannot rest until they have blotted out a vaguely experienced [target] who dared to oppose them or [expose them], to disagree with them or to outshine them. [The Cyberpath] can never find rest because they can NEVER FULLY wipe out the evidence that has contradicted their conviction they are unique and perfect. This archaic rage goes on and on and on." - Dr. Ernest Wolf

Are Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID and predators like him sociopaths? We aren't doctors. And malignant narcissists & sociopaths rarely present themselves to psychiatrists and tell the truth - because they make the truth up as they go along. So, let's look at Dr. Stout's checklist in THE SOCIOPATH NEXT DOOR with regards to Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YidwithLid

(use this checklist on YOURS!)



In her book, Stout also describes other techniques that shameless sociopaths use to keep the rest of us in line. They are:

• Charm (all of Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID's targets found him charming and sweet)



• Risk-taking, and convincing others to do it with them (despite Sammy Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID's later assertions that his targets were just as guilty as him - he did convince and 'sell' them on an affair with him. Target #2 says he even sent her an article about how affairs help people to further his agenda)



• Recognizing a person who is decent and trusting — the perfect target (both of Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID's targets were basically decent, trusting people.)



• Sexual seduction (see the expose - he initiated & furthered ALL sexual involvement)



• Crocodile tears — especially when sociopaths are about to be confronted (see GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID's lame 'apology' to his targets. And if Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID wants to write a real apology - we would be happy to publish it for him at any time; as we would for any of our exposed cyberpaths) We doubt he will even read this - it would interfere with his 'reality'



• Righteous indignation — Plan B when sociopaths are about to be confronted. Probably the one more 'decent and trusting' of all the targets - they are usually the ones who get smeared the worst. (Other examples: Ed Hicks' last wives #6 & #7.)



• Exploiting social and professional roles (Dunetz/ YIDWITHLID has gone back to his publishers (under a new identity - Sammy Benoit), family, clergyman, job and 'friends' to continue to exploit his religious/family-man image as a platform for smearing his victims and elevating himself. He has never fulled owned or admitted the depth of his depravity or the devastation he purposedly caused innocent people. He has, as far as we know, continued to lie to everyone - including himself - who will actually listen to him.
  
  



• Gaslighting — making victims doubt their own perceptions (Dunetz/ YIDWITHLID continues to blame his victims for their being hurt & upset for what he did to them! Insists they 'knew what they were getting into'; or it was consensual; and/or they are harassing him by standing up for themselves and telling the truth. Another was blaming his victims for 'turning him on' and 'making' him want the affairs! Wonder if using his money to pay for expensive prostitutes turned him on too?)

1. IT IS EOPC'S FIRM BELIEF THAT CYBERPATHS FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY.
   
   

READ BELOW AND SEE WHAT TO DO ABOUT THESE EXPLOITATIVE PREDATORS & OUR KUDOS TO ALL OUR PAST VICTIMS WHO WERE BRAVE ENOUGH TO COME FORWARD TO LET OTHERS KNOW - THEY ARE NOT ALONE IN THEIR GRIEF & PAIN.



AS YOU READ THE FOLLOWING - THINK OF THE PREDATORS WE HAVE EXPOSED IN THE LAST 4 YEARS - DO THEY FIT THE PATTERN? WE SAY YES.

________________________



THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY

By Caroline Konrad



These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable.



First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind.



(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.



(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.



(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault.



(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.



(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.



If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately! :



Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened. Don't be ashamed. Tell.



Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available.



Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media.



yidwithlid

FINAL NOTE ON DUNETZ/ YIDWITHLID & A WORD ABOUT CYBERPATHS

An update and final note on Jeff Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YidwithLid for this rerun of his expose. This is a great example of what these predators do when they catch on that they've been exposed.





Do you think they - Apologize? Get Help? Admit What They've Done? Make Amends to the Victim(s)? No! As we have said, cyberpaths are narcissists or sociopaths at their core and those persons never ever apologize. Or if they do they will close the "I'm Sorry" with "but you..."



Jeff Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YidwithLid went into a psychopathic rage when he found out his story was here. So he decided to go after the person he thinks is posting it - his Target #1.



Reality: Target #2 first contacted us and from there EOPC contacted Target #1. Target #1 told her story to us a few months out of a treatment program for severe PTSD caused by her relationship with Jeff Dunetz/ Yidwithlid /GRIDNEY - and her counselors told her "don't let it tear you up inside - TELL."



EOPC also warned her what this predator might do. But posting it herself here? She did not. Dunetz/ Yidwithlid thinks she controls the internet, it seems! All of them blame their targets or other victims on this site. ALL OF THEM!



This expose was the second one to come with law enforcement verification (the first was "Ed" Charles Hicks). Typically, Jeff Dunetz/ YIDWITHLID is now telling people it's "all made up" and to top that off - he thinks Target #1 is us and is telling OTHERS that she is EOPC!

MR. Dunetz- if you are reading this - there are four (4) people that run this site and neither your Target #1 or Target #2 is one of them. Also, we get an affidavit from everyone who tells us their story that this is the truth and would hold up in a court of law. Everyone.



Mr. Dunetz, you are the one keeping this story alive by having a tantrum every time you see something. This the third time we have re-run it. Other sites have picked it up and our policy is - we refuse to remove unless there's legal confirmation. We were asked to remove your story in March 2007 by Target #1. We declined when those who run this site found out what you were up to; attacking and threatening your victims. More than one person confirmed this story as did law enforcement for us in 2004. And we don't negotiate with terrorists.



If you would like to write a genuine apology, acknowledging ALL your actions and why you coerced these vulnerable persons - we would be more than happy to post it for you. You must have back up and be willing to sign a release that YOU will take full responsibility for what is posted and its veracity. Your victims had no problem doing that.

Initially Yidwithlid posted his version of events on his blog and later removed it.



His target answered Jeff Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID's version of events and says she made efforts to everything about him taken down. Most sites? Simply will not without a court document and even then some won't. On the site she details her efforts to get postings of him on other sites that used his real name taken down, even though Target #1 wasn't the one who put them there, and how futile it was.



Jeff Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID sees the actions of all others against him as the fault of only Target #1. ha ha ha



As to Dunetz/ GRIDNEY's version, upon reading it, we found it did not make a lot of sense, it was very watered down, confusing and had a lot of gaps in it covered by statements of "love" for his wife and what a good person he is. (example: Dunetz left out his lunch hour hooker habit and porn addiction which started years before he even looked up Target #1. Nor does he mention Target #2; perhaps they are still involved?)



Worse -- his version had astoundingly icy statements in it like "I stopped cybering with her and started cybering with someone else." Boom, just like that. No explanation -- just talking about his victims like objects.



Considering the tremendous devastation he visited on Target #1 and her family, he's lucky -- because he destroyed this woman's life and thought nothing of her but sex. And thought the same of her friend, Target #2 - who is also a real person not a thing. His own statements reveal his severe pathology.



Dunetz's defense was stock phrases like "hell hath no fury" or "the rest is history". The 'woman scorned' nonsense is a time-worn defense that even the legal system knows is bull these days. Without fail, every single Cyberpath who has been exposed here and subsequently threatens us - use this same defense in addition to calling their Targets crazy, stalkers, liars and accusing them of slander & defamation. It is so predictable it gets monotonous.



After publishing this blog for as many years as we have now - an accusation by a Cyberpath that their Target is a 'nutjob' is, to us, a confirmation to EOPC that the Cyberpath is lying and projecting and that the Targets have told us the truth.



We have contacted Target #1 and told her that she has a good libel case against Jeff Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID and that he is so fixated on blaming her for everything that went wrong in his life. (he accuses Target #1 of: 'hurting his wife' by telling her the truth and the latest: 'driving his mother to a heart attack' - which Target #1 denies even knowing what he's referring to on her site and provides proofs to that effect. He even tells people it's HER fault he's unemployed - NOT that HE used hookers, posted on hooker review boards and used phone & internet sex sites) so please use caution as he seems to be a loose canon.



His attack, like all of them, against someone he drove to the brink - is typical of the misogyny or misandry of Cyberpaths - done simultaneously as they swear they love their partners/ spouses.



(Cyberpaths paint the wife/husband/partner as ALL GOOD and the victims who dare to tell the truth as ALL BAD by comparing them. This is paramoralizing nonsense; typical of the black & white thinking of a pathological person. The partners AND the victims are probably the ALL GOOD - it is the Cyberpath who is ALL BAD.)



As with all Cyberpaths - their image is everything. They hurt their victims as if they were nothing and they use people like objects. So readers, look below at what the rage of one Cyberpath does - and then see for yourself if Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID's words are the words of a rational, normal human being.







OTHER CYBERPATHS - SAME PATTERN

Mike Campbell went to court with one of his victims trying to shut her up. He also assumed that she is one who posted about him all over the web. Wrong.



We heard from three (3) other of his victims (who did not want their emails published because they are scared of Mr. Campbell or their families) confirming the sort of person he is and his predatory tactics.



Supposedly Campbell's tried to control the whole internet to stop the truth about him being out. Just like Dunetz/ Yidwithlid - Campbell is blaming one person for posting him everywhere. The truth is that our stories often get picked up by other sites. Also, other victims will hide behind the story of a victim who is brave enough to come forward - and then post the story themselves.



Why do these Cyberpaths pick on that one person? Probably because they are the most truthful. Remember our posts about who Cyberpaths' target? The best and brightest among us. Predators usually pick the most moral, compassionate and truthful person to smear because 'mud sticks best to a clean spot.'



"Ed" Charles Hicks (aka Charles Greene) is back online on various dating sites, writing numerous women with a system so he can keep them all straight. Rumor has it he's writing a book to tell his truth - i.e.: that his last two wives set him up just to get on T.V. and ruin his life. Not a word about the thousands of dollars he stole from them, the ruined lives or his year in jail. Not a word that all the facts about him were independently verified by the Assistant D.A. in Virginia. Remember: these predators CREATE THEIR ONE VERSION OF REALITY AND LIVE THERE!



And Mr. Hicks is currently a known felon who spent time in jail. So EOPC wishes Mr. Hicks good luck finding a publisher - maybe O.J. can give him some advice there if they end up in jail together.



BRAD DORSKY, STEVEN LANGLEY GUY & KEITH CLIVE have all come here multiple times, surfing only their stories and lashing out at us and usually the person they "think" has exposed them.



PHIL HABERMAN dragged his victim to court - of course wrong state, wrong venue - and isn't getting what he wants. In fact - Phil's looking crazier all the time.



If only they'd put that energy towards getting long term psychological help.



We have had Cyberpaths write us as their "alleged other victims" or their "lawyer" (btw - all the same IP) demanding & threatening us to remove them. Not asking, not providing us with anything other than their rageful demands.



We hold everyone to the same standard. YOUR WORDS ARE NOT PROOF. We must have verification and you must sign an affidavit that if you are lying you can be prosecuted for perjury and holding EOPC harmless. (fyi - we do not want Social Insurance/ Security numbers or credit card information!)



We have yet to remove anyone permanently with one except - at the request of a deeply harmed victim who was threatened with serious bodily harm by her Cyberpath. We also pass all threats to appropriate law enforcement.



We agree with AA and other recovery organizations that FULL DISCLOSURE can be very helpful in healing from the trauma and emotional rape caused by these Narcissistic, Sociopathic predators.



We have had Cyberpaths or their buddies try to join our mail list support group. That won't be happening. Sometimes we are lucky enough to have some help on those occasions.



We are constantly surprised, but not shocked, at the anger & rage these Cyberpaths have at being exposed! It is not an anger management problem. Narcissistic & sociopathic types do no have a problem with their anger - they have a problem with their victims being angry. Their victims are simply objects to them so "how dare they" feel pain, become ill, attempt suicide, have PTSD, complain or expose them. That's how sick and soul-less Cyberpaths are.



Cyberpaths will say "but they did it too!" (or "she's a cheater, too!!" or "she KNEW it was wrong") Oh, Really?

• Were they aware you were using & grooming them, slowly brainwashing and telling them you had feelings for/ or were 'in love with' them?



• Were they aware that you didn't care one bit about them other than what kicks you could get from them?



• Did your victims know you had other prey on the hook, or were a sex addict, or a bigamist, or a fraud?



• Did they know when you said "I care about you" or "I love you" you were lying?

In Mr. Dunetz's case - we ask him: Did your victims know you'd been seeing hookers on your lunch hours since 2000? Spending money on online porn and cybering with professional cyber-whores? Spending money on phone sex? Did they know? Or did you make them think they were the ONE AND ONLY? and you'd NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE?



You know the answer to that, Sir. So you also know where to put your blame-shifting of "they were married and knew what they were getting into" and "it takes two to tango" baloney.

If so, they DID NOT 'do it too.' They are human beings capable of something you are not - honest feelings. And they have every right to their hurt, anger and need to have some sort of closure.



But don't expect the Cyberpath to feel shame, sorrow or remorse. Ever.



Shame on any Cyberpath who attacks their victims! Talking, telling the truth and being kind would get you a lot farther than raging against victimized people.

HERE'S SOME EMAIL WE GOT FROM Duntez/ GRIDNEY/YidwithLid IN RESPONSE TO OUR REQUEST FOR HIM TO REMOVE SOME OF THE POSTS HE LIFTED IN FULL, GRAPHICS INCLUDED, FROM EOPC AND PLACED HERE

(he's since taken them down with zero admission that he did something wrong or an apology at his grave mistake!):







EOPC'S INITIAL EMAIL (SENT Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID & TO BLOGGER) -

~~~~~~~



OUR POST ALONG WITH OUR COMMENTS & GRAPHICS WERE TAKEN WHICH CONSTITUTES COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT:

This is to advise you that you are using copyrighted and protected material on your website/blog. Your illegal, unauthorized use of http://cyberpaths.blogspot.com/2006/03/j-open-mouth-insert-keyboard.html article at your site: A STUMBLING TCHATZKAH -- is originally from our blog called EXPOSING ONLINE PREDATORS & CYBERPATHS . This is original content and we are the author and copyright holder to the chat.

The IPs we have for your site are: 69.112.162.87 and 69.112.161.215

On the sidebar of our main site we give any exposed cyberpath the right to rebuttal along with the same burden of hard proof, along with a signed notarized statement that what they are saying is the truth along with copies of any pertinent documentation.



We also have our copyright/ usage rules there . Use of copyright protected material without permission is illegal under copyright laws.



Please take the following action immediately:

Remove the plagiarized material immediately.



We expect you to do so now within 24 hours as per prior notification.



Thank you for your immediate action on this matter.



Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths

IC3.gov -- Complaint Id: I0706271709542032

Filed with ChillingEffects.org



(we also filed a DMCA Complaint)

Dunetz /GRIDNEY'S BIZARRE RESPONSES TO OUR CC OF THE ABOVE TO HIM:

from "Yidwithlid@XXX.com"

to cyberpaths@gmail.com

date Jun 24, 2007 5:04 PM

subject Re: http://stumblingtchatzkahs.blogspot.com



dear cyberpaths

I published it for educational purposes also. It teaches people how one overzealous psycopahth can take slander from a sick women and post them on a website without knowin what the truth is. Or how one sick individtual can do her best to drive my mom to a heart attack.



You are a sick individual and so is your friend [Target #1]. Dont be surprised I circulate it even more, If She is determined to keep this up. I will make sure the world will know what a mom of two spends her time doing ..instead of taking car of her children.

_________________



from "Yidwithlid@XXX.com"

to cyberpaths@gmail.com

date Jun 25, 2007 6:35 PM

subject Re: http://stumblingtchatzkahs.blogspot.com



you got my response yesterday...If you dont stop with this nonsense I will add stumbling tchatkes to every blog aggrigator I can find. Your choice [Target #1's name]

__________________



from "Yidwithlid@XXX.com"

to cyberpaths@gmail.com

cc support@blogger.com

date Jun 27, 2007 7:19 PM

subject Re: http://stumblingtchatzkahs.blogspot.com



but [Target #1's name] if I wrote the chat I am the copywrite holder...and if I didnt then take it down and I will

___________________



from "Yidwithlid@XX.com"

to cyberpaths@gmail.com

date Jun 28, 2007 6:49 PM

subject Re: http://stumblingtchatzkahs.blogspot.com



hope you are enjoying the convention in eurpe [Target #1]

____________________



from "yidwithlid@XX.com" hide details Jun 29

to cyberpaths@gmail.com

date Jun 29, 2007 3:12 PM

subject Re: http://stumblingtchatzkahs.blogspot.com



Hey [Target #1's name]...haven't you gone to the site? I left you a present..You enjoying the pacific northwest?

_______________

(didn't he just accuse her of being in Europe the day before? Is he on medication or what?)

As stated, NOTE that Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID addresses EOPC as if we are Target #1. We still can't figure out these emails but he did verify for us that he is probably a pathological man, a textbook-predictable Narcissist and a Cyberpath. (He has even gone so far as to tell some of our detractors we are his Target #1)

"The [exposed Cyberpath] on the other hand, cannot rest until they have blotted out a vaguely experienced [target] who dared to oppose them or [expose them], to disagree with them or to outshine them. [The Cyberpath] can never find rest because they can NEVER FULLY wipe out the evidence that has contradicted their conviction they are unique and perfect. This archaic rage goes on and on and on." - Dr. Ernest Wolf

Are Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID and predators like him sociopaths? We aren't doctors. And malignant narcissists & sociopaths rarely present themselves to psychiatrists and tell the truth - because they make the truth up as they go along. So, let's look at Dr. Stout's checklist in THE SOCIOPATH NEXT DOOR with regards to Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YidwithLid

(use this checklist on YOURS!)



In her book, Stout also describes other techniques that shameless sociopaths use to keep the rest of us in line. They are:

• Charm (all of Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID's targets found him charming and sweet)



• Risk-taking, and convincing others to do it with them (despite Sammy Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID's later assertions that his targets were just as guilty as him - he did convince and 'sell' them on an affair with him. Target #2 says he even sent her an article about how affairs help people to further his agenda)



• Recognizing a person who is decent and trusting — the perfect target (both of Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID's targets were basically decent, trusting people.)



• Sexual seduction (see the expose - he initiated & furthered ALL sexual involvement)



• Crocodile tears — especially when sociopaths are about to be confronted (see GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID's lame 'apology' to his targets. And if Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID wants to write a real apology - we would be happy to publish it for him at any time; as we would for any of our exposed cyberpaths) We doubt he will even read this - it would interfere with his 'reality'



• Righteous indignation — Plan B when sociopaths are about to be confronted. Probably the one more 'decent and trusting' of all the targets - they are usually the ones who get smeared the worst. (Other examples: Ed Hicks' last wives #6 & #7.)



• Exploiting social and professional roles (Dunetz/ YIDWITHLID has gone back to his publishers (under a new identity - Sammy Benoit), family, clergyman, job and 'friends' to continue to exploit his religious/family-man image as a platform for smearing his victims and elevating himself. He has never fulled owned or admitted the depth of his depravity or the devastation he purposedly caused innocent people. He has, as far as we know, continued to lie to everyone - including himself - who will actually listen to him.
  
  



• Gaslighting — making victims doubt their own perceptions (Dunetz/ YIDWITHLID continues to blame his victims for their being hurt & upset for what he did to them! Insists they 'knew what they were getting into'; or it was consensual; and/or they are harassing him by standing up for themselves and telling the truth. Another was blaming his victims for 'turning him on' and 'making' him want the affairs! Wonder if using his money to pay for expensive prostitutes turned him on too?)

1. IT IS EOPC'S FIRM BELIEF THAT CYBERPATHS FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY.
   
   

READ BELOW AND SEE WHAT TO DO ABOUT THESE EXPLOITATIVE PREDATORS & OUR KUDOS TO ALL OUR PAST VICTIMS WHO WERE BRAVE ENOUGH TO COME FORWARD TO LET OTHERS KNOW - THEY ARE NOT ALONE IN THEIR GRIEF & PAIN.



AS YOU READ THE FOLLOWING - THINK OF THE PREDATORS WE HAVE EXPOSED IN THE LAST 4 YEARS - DO THEY FIT THE PATTERN? WE SAY YES.

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THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY

By Caroline Konrad



These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable.



First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind.



(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.



(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.



(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault.



(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.



(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.



If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately! :



Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened. Don't be ashamed. Tell.



Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available.



Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media.



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