Showing posts with label denial. Show all posts
Showing posts with label denial. Show all posts

Wednesday, March 28, 2012

The Cyberpath = Psychopath With Internet Access

Psychopaths With Internet Access



An Excerpt from the book: In Sheep's Clothing
By George K. Simon

(how many of these have you seen or discovered in your Online Predator??... comments in dark blue are EOPC's and not the author's)

Two Basic Types of Aggression
There are two basic types of aggression: overt-aggression and covert-aggression. When you're determined to have something and you're open, direct and obvious in your manner of fighting, your behavior is best labeled overtly aggressive. When you're out to "win," dominate or control, but are subtle, underhanded or deceptive enough to hide your true intentions, your behavior is most appropriately labeled covertly aggressive. Now, avoiding any overt display of aggression while simultaneously intimidating others into giving you what you want is a powerfully manipulative maneuver. That's why covert-aggression is most often the vehicle for interpersonal manipulation.

Acts of Covert-Aggression vs. Covert-Aggressive Personalities
Most of us have engaged in some sort of covertly aggressive behavior from time to time. Periodically trying to manipulate a person or a situation doesn't make someone a covert-aggressive personality. Personality can be defined by the way a person habitually perceives, relates to and interacts with others and the world at large.

The tactics of deceit, manipulation and control are a steady diet for covert-aggressive personality. It's the way they prefer to deal with others and to get the things they want in life.

The Process of Victimization
For a long time, I wondered why manipulation victims have a hard time seeing what really goes on in manipulative interactions. At first, I was tempted to fault them. But I've learned that they get hoodwinked for some very good reasons:

1. A manipulator's aggression is not obvious. Our gut may tell us that they're fighting for something, struggling to overcome us, gain power, or have their way, and we find ourselves unconsciously on the defensive. But because we can't point to clear, objective evidence they're aggressing against us, we can't readily validate our feelings.

2. The tactics manipulators use can make it seem like they're hurting, caring, defending, ..., almost anything but fighting. These tactics are hard to recognize as merely clever ploys. They always make just enough sense to make a person doubt their gut hunch that they're being taken advantage of or abused. Besides, the tactics not only make it hard for you to consciously and objectively tell that a manipulator is fighting, but they also simultaneously keep you or consciously on the defensive. These features make them highly effective psychological weapons to which anyone can be vulnerable. It's hard to think clearly when someone has you emotionally on the run.

3. All of us have weaknesses and insecurities that a clever manipulator might exploit. Sometimes, we're aware of these weaknesses and how someone might use them to take advantage of us. For example, I hear parents say things like: "Yeah, I know I have a big guilt button." - But at the time their manipulative child is busily pushing that button, they can easily forget what's really going on. Besides, sometimes we're unaware of our biggest vulnerabilities. Manipulators often know us better than we know ourselves. They know what buttons to push, when and how hard. Our lack of self-knowledge sets us up to be exploited.

4. What our gut tells us a manipulator is like, challenges everything we've been taught to believe about human nature.

We've been inundated with a psychology that has us seeing everybody, at least to some degree, as afraid, insecure or "hung-up." So, while our gut tells us we're dealing with a ruthless conniver, our head tells us they must be really frightened or wounded "underneath." What's more, most of us generally hate to think of ourselves as callous and insensitive people. We hesitate to make harsh or seemingly negative judgments about others.
We want to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they don't really harbor the malevolent intentions we suspect. We're more apt to doubt and blame ourselves for daring to believe what our gut tells us about our manipulator's character.

Recognizing Aggressive Agendas
Accepting how fundamental it is for people to fight for the things they want and becoming more aware of the subtle, underhanded ways people can and do fight in their daily endeavors and relationships can be very consciousness expanding. Learning to recognize an aggressive move when somebody makes one and learning how to handle oneself in any of life's many battles, has turned out to be the most empowering experience for the manipulation victims with whom I've worked. It's how they eventually freed themselves from their manipulator's dominance and control and gained a much needed boost to their own sense of self esteem.

Recognizing the inherent aggression in manipulative behavior and becoming more aware of the slick, surreptitious ways that manipulative people prefer to aggress against us is extremely important. Not recognizing and accurately labeling their subtly aggressive moves causes most people to misinterpret the behavior of manipulators and, therefore, fail to respond to them in an appropriate fashion. Recognizing when and how manipulators are fighting with covertly aggressive tactics is essential.

Defense Mechanisms and Offensive Tactics
Almost everyone is familiar with the term defense mechanism. Defense mechanisms are the "automatic" (i.e. unconscious) mental behaviors all of us employ to protect or defend ourselves from the "threat" of some emotional pain. More specifically, ego defense mechanisms are mental behaviors we use to "defend" our self-images from "invitations" to feel ashamed or guilty about something. There are many different kinds of ego defenses and the more traditional (psychodynamic) theories of personality have always tended to distinguish the various personality types, at least in part, by the types of ego defenses they prefer to use. One of the problems with psychodynamic approaches to understanding human behavior is that they tend to depict people as most always afraid of something and defending or protecting themselves in some way; even when they're in the act of aggressing. Covert-aggressive personalities (indeed all aggressive personalities) use a variety of mental behaviors and interpersonal maneuvers to help ensure they get what they want. Some of these behaviors have been traditionally thought of as defense mechanisms.

While, from a certain perspective we might say someone engaging in these behaviors is defending their ego from any sense of shame or guilt, it's important to realize that at the time the aggressor is exhibiting these behaviors, he is not primarily defending (i.e. attempting to prevent some internally painful event from occurring), but rather fighting to maintain position, gain power and to remove any obstacles (both internal and external) in the way of getting what he wants. Seeing the aggressor as on the defensive in any sense is a set-up for victimization. Recognizing that they're primarily on the offensive, mentally prepares a person for the decisive action they need to take in order to avoid being run over. Therefore, I think it's best to conceptualize many of the mental behaviors (no matter how "automatic" or "unconscious" they may appear) we often think of as defense mechanisms, as offensive power tactics, because aggressive personalities employ them primarily to manipulate, control and achieve dominance over others. Rather than trying to prevent something emotionally painful or dreadful from happening, anyone using these tactics is primarily trying to ensure that something they want to happen does indeed happen. Let's take a look at the principal tactics covert-aggressive personalities use to ensure they get their way and maintain a position of power over their victims:
Denial - This is when the aggressor refuses to admit that they've done something harmful or hurtful when they clearly have. It's a way they lie (to themselves as well as to others) about their aggressive intentions. This "Who... Me?" tactic is a way of "playing innocent," and invites the victim to feel unjustified in confronting the aggressor about the inappropriateness of a behavior. It's also the way the aggressor gives him/herself permission to keep right on doing what they want to do. This denial is not the same kind of denial that a person who has just lost a loved one and can't quite bear to accept the pain and reality of the loss engages in. That type of denial really is mostly a "defense" against unbearable hurt and anxiety. Rather, this type of denial is not primarily a "defense" but a maneuver the aggressor uses to get others to back off, back down or maybe even feel guilty themselves for insinuating he's doing something wrong.

Selective Inattention - This tactic is similar to and sometimes mistaken for denial It's when the aggressor "plays dumb," or acts oblivious. When engaging in this tactic, the aggressor actively ignores the warnings, pleas or wishes of others, and in general, refuses to pay attention to everything and anything that might distract them from pursuing their own agenda.

Often, the aggressor knows full well what you want from him when he starts to exhibit this "I don't want to hear it!" behavior. Ed Hicks & Yidwithlid did this) By using this tactic, the aggressor actively resists submitting himself to the tasks of paying attention to or refraining from the behavior you want him to change.


Rationalization - A rationalization is the excuse an aggressor tries to offer for engaging in an inappropriate or harmful behavior. It can be an effective tactic, especially when the explanation or justification the aggressor offers makes just enough sense that any reasonably conscientious person is likely to fall for it. It's a powerful tactic because it not only serves to remove any internal resistance the aggressor might have about doing what he wants to do (quieting any qualms of conscience he might have) but also to keep others off his back. If the aggressor can convince you he's justified in whatever he's doing, then he's freer to pursue his goals without interference.



Diversion - A moving target is hard to hit. When we try to pin a manipulator down or try to keep a discussion focused on a single issue or behavior we don't like, he's expert at knowing how to change the subject, dodge the issue or in some way throw us a curve. Manipulators use distraction and diversion techniques to keep the focus off their behavior, move us off-track, and keep themselves free to promote their self-serving hidden agendas. (Jacoby, Doug Beckstead, Sammy Benoit /Jeff Dunetz/ Yidwithlid all used this one constantly - and with initial good results for them!)

Whenever someone is not responding directly to an issue, you can safely assume that for some reason, they're trying to give you the slip.

Lying - It's often hard to tell when a person is lying at the time he's doing it. Fortunately, there are times when the truth will out because circumstances don't bear out somebody's story. But there are also times when you don't know you've been deceived until it's too late. One way to minimize the chances that someone will put one over on you is to remember that because aggressive personalities of all types will generally stop at nothing to get what they want, you can expect them to lie and cheat. Another thing to remember is that manipulators - covert-aggressive personalities that they are - are prone to lie in subtle, covert ways. Courts are well aware of the many ways that people lie, as they require that court oaths charge that testifiers tell "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth."

Manipulators often lie by withholding a significant amount of the truth from you or by distorting the truth.
(William Michael Barber, John Gash, Yidwithlid, Ed Hicks & Phil Haberman all did this)They are adept at being vague when you ask them direct questions. This is an especially slick way of lying -- omission. Keep this in mind when dealing with a suspected wolf in sheep's clothing.
Always seek and obtain specific, confirmable information.

Covert Intimidation - Aggressors frequently threaten their victims to keep them anxious, apprehensive and in a one-down position. Covert-aggressives intimidate their victims by making veiled (subtle, indirect or implied) threats. Guilt-tripping and shaming are two of the covert-aggressive's favourite weapons. Both are special intimidation tactics. (Dorsky, Hicks, Jacoby, Beckstead, Rodger & Yidwithlid all used overt & covert threats - including disappearing on the Targets for days or weeks at a time, as 'threats')

Guilt-tripping - One thing that aggressive personalities know well is that other types of persons have very different consciences than they do. Manipulators are often skilled at using what they know to be the greater conscientiousness of their victims as a means of keeping them in a self-doubting, anxious, and submissive position.
The more conscientious the potential victim, the more effective guilt is as a weapon.

Aggressive personalities of all types use guilt-tripping so frequently and effectively as a manipulative tactic, that I believe it illustrates how fundamentally different in character they are compared to other (especially neurotic) personalities. All a manipulator has to do is suggest to the conscientious person that they don't care enough, are too selfish, etc., and that person immediately starts to feel bad. On the contrary, a conscientious person might try until they're blue in the face to get a manipulator (or any other aggressive personality) to feel badly about a hurtful behavior, acknowledge responsibility, or admit wrongdoing, to absolutely no avail.


Shaming - This is the technique of using subtle sarcasm and put-downs as a means of increasing fear and self-doubt in others. Covert-aggressives use this tactic to make others feel inadequate or unworthy, and therefore, defer to them. It's an effective way to foster a continued sense of personal inadequacy in the weaker party, thereby allowing an aggressor to maintain a position of dominance.

Playing the Victim Role - This tactic involves portraying oneself as an innocent victim of circumstances or someone else's behavior in order to gain sympathy, evoke compassion and thereby get something from another. (Yidwithlid did this one when caught! Beckstead complained about his cold, unfeeling wife...) One thing that covert-aggressive personalities count on is the fact that less calloused and less hostile personalities usually can't stand to see anyone suffering. Therefore, the tactic is simple. Convince your victim you're suffering in some way, and they'll try to relieve your distress.

(Jeff Dunetz /Gridney/ Yidwithlid also used this as a lure, i.e. his cold, disappointing marriage and how Target #1 and eventually Target #2 were the ONLY people he could 'really talk to.'

Dorksy also used this one in telling his Target she was the 'only girl for' him because all the girls in his area were 'sluts' and unworthy.

Beckstead's wife "wouldn't have sex with" him.

Dan Jacoby was "waiting for his divorce to be final" and "no one understood him.")



Vilifying the Victim - This tactic is frequently used in conjunction with the tactic of playing the victim role. The aggressor uses this tactic to make it appear he is only responding (i.e. defending himself against) aggression on the part of the victim. It enables the aggressor to better put the victim on the defensive. (Ed Hicks (aka Charles Greene aka Charles Hicks aka....) was big on this one! Dan Jacoby's the latest to do this tired ploy.)

Playing the Servant Role - Covert-aggressives use this tactic to cloak their self-serving agendas in the guise of service to a more noble cause. It's a common tactic but difficult to recognize. By pretending to be working hard on someone else's behalf, covert-aggressives conceal their own ambition, desire for power, and quest for a position of dominance over others. (Yidwithlid used this one saying he was religious and writing articles to support causes which only furthered his own agenda and were placed on his old website - a site in which he used the guestbook to troll for new targets. Currently he tells people reading his blog to EMAIL him with their email addresses so he can "add them to his mailing list." -- There are free sites that do that automatically; which leads us to believe Jeff Dunetz is collects new emails for targetting! At the same time, he convinced Target #1 he was as altruistic as she was -- when he was actually only furthering a personal, selfish egotistical agenda, serial cheating with high price hookers on his wife and family at the same time and lying to everyone around him about who & what he really was. Just like ALL cyberpaths!)

One hallmark characteristic of covert-aggressive personalities is loudly professing subservience while fighting for dominance.

Seduction - Covert-aggressive personalities are adept at charming, praising, flattering or overtly supporting others in order to get them to lower their defenses and surrender their trust and loyalty.

Covert-aggressives are also particularly aware that people who are to some extent emotionally needy and dependent (and that includes
most people who aren't character-disordered) want approval, reassurance, and a sense of being valued and needed more than anything. Appearing to be attentive to these needs can be a manipulator's ticket to incredible power over others.

He melts any resistance you might have to giving him your loyalty and confidence. He does this by giving you what he knows you need most. He knows you want to feel valued and important. So, he often tells you that you are. You don't find out how unimportant you really are to him until you turn out to be in his way. (And then he tells you to get over YOUR 'bruised ego.')


Projecting the blame (blaming others) or Blame-Shifting - Aggressive personalities are always looking for a way to shift the blame for their aggressive behavior. Covert-aggressives are not only skilled at finding scapegoats, they're expert at doing so in subtle, hard to detect ways. (all our Cyberpaths do this so much - we'd spend another couple posts just point it all out!)

Minimization - This tactic is a unique kind of denial coupled with rationalization. When using this maneuver, the aggressor is attempting to assert that his abusive behavior isn't really as harmful or irresponsible as someone else may be claiming. It's the aggressor's attempt to make a molehill out of a mountain.


I've presented the principal tactics that covert-aggressives use to manipulate and control others. They are not always easy to recognize. Although all aggressive personalities tend to use these tactics, covert-aggressives generally use them slickly, subtly and adeptly. Anyone dealing with a covertly aggressive person will need to heighten gut-level sensitivity to the use of these tactics if they're to avoid being taken in by them.

Wednesday, March 21, 2012

The Four Psychological Stages Of Those Abused by Cyberpaths


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Stage One ~ DENIAL
The victim refuses to admit even to herself, that she has been 'had' or that there is a problem in her online relationship/friendship. She may call each incident an accident. She offers excuses & rationalizations and each time she is played or insulted firmly believes it will never happen again.

Stage Two ~ GUILT
Victim now acknowledges there is a problem, but considers herself responsible for it. She deserves to be used and lied to, she feels because she has defects in her character and is not living up to her predators's expectations.

Stage Three ~ ENLIGHTENMENT
The woman no longer assumes responsibility for her cyberpaths's abusive treatment, recognizing that no one deserves to be treated badly, used, played or lied to. She is still committed to her online relationship though and stays with her cyberpath hoping they can work things out. During this period she often questions the predator and hopes for "straight answers" because things are starting to not jive or make sense.
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Stage Four ~ RESPONSIBILITY
Accepting the fact that her cyberpath will not, or can not, stop his predatory & manipulative behavior, the victim decides she will no longer submit to it and starts a new life.

Often involves "telling" and no more secret keeping - by which she can achieve validation that she is not alone or stupid.

Saturday, March 10, 2012

The Downside of Telling A Cyberpath's Spouse/ Partner


While exposing a predator (or any cheater/ liar for that matter) can give YOU conceptual closure, bear the following things in mind while you plan how to do it:

What if the partner/spouse/job doesn't believe you.... but believes the lies and revisionist history of THE PREDATOR!!
  • You could lose your job
  • You could be accused of harassment or stalking
  • You could be accused of a vendetta against the predator
  • You could get a cease & desist order and/or Restraining Order filed against you

This is what the partner MIGHT do:

  • Tell YOU to stop pursuing their partner;
  • that the predator had already told them what a nutcase you are,
  • your attentions were not welcome and please stop trying to come between their relationship and/or start trouble in their family

  • Even if you can produce emails, instant message transcripts, letters, gifts, photos, etc as proof of the relationship. This is what might happen:

    the partner/job can say they prove nothing. Predators are VERY GOOD LIARS & TALKERS!! Even if you have source codes saved on instant messages and emails... they can still tell themselves YOU MADE IT ALL UP. (however these are great things to have if you need to go to law enforcement for any reason - and make sure law enforcement makes a REPORT and ASK FOR A COPY OF THIS REPORT)

    The Predator will also say YOU MADE IT ALL UP... or PLANTED IT...

    And their partner can say "So what? I don't even have any way of knowing that what you are showing me really came from him/her. Maybe YOU planted them!" ...

    The partner and the predator often call the police and make YOU out to be the bad one/stalker, etc. (or threaten to)

    If there are other targets involved, rest assured the predator has ALREADY planted seeds in their brain saying:
    • YOU are crazy
    • YOU are obsessed with them
    • YOU are just a 'scorned woman' or 'psycho ex'
    • THE PREDATOR is/was just being nice to you - that's ALL
    • YOU started the relationship
    • YOU are mentally ill
    • YOU are angry because he/she wouldn't sleep with you (even if they already did!)
    • THE PREDATOR will blame your divorce/ breakups on the "fact" that YOU are imbalanced and none of your exes can stand being around you
    • THE PREDATOR will blame any disability, illness you have because of them (including PTSD) on something else -- such as calling you "lazy" or "old" or "desperate for attention" or a "cheat" and so on...
    • YOU are the predator here, not them!
    • YOU invented everything
    • YOU are trying to hurt their relationship(s) because you are jealous
    Of course they have been so thorough that by the time you come on the picture with the truth - you are primed to appear the fool and your words have already been sprayed with the smell of fiction.

    Predators are VERY convincing liars and can spin a tale or explanation so convincing that even if you don't totally believe it, you think you're crazy for doubting it because they said it with ABSOLUTE CONVICTION (cyberpaths often believe their own lies, since they are a type of sociopath - and behave the same way)

    CLICK HERE FOR ANOTHER INFORMATIVE ARTICLE ABOUT THIS PROCESS

    It is easy to believe because the partner/other targets WANT to believe... it's part of their manipulation & seduction. No one really wants to admit they've been used, cheated on, lied to, manipulated and disregarded and your entire relationship was fake, would you? Now think about if you were the spouse/ partner/ or other relationship....

    It's easier to believe, even if the predator was caught red handed, that it's an isolated incident and will never happen again. Predators will often make all sorts of "shows" of accountability to save face with the family. Therapy, installing software for the partner, buying a new computer for the partner, etc etc. --- and believe us it IS all SHOW! Don't believe for a second that as soon as their partner calms down and they are sure their excuses have been 'swallowed whole' they will GO RIGHT BACK to things and trolling for new victims.

    Denial often beats out the pain of realizing what the horrible truth really is or facing divorce or the dissolution of a family or partnership.


    By the way? The cyberpath will FULLY EMBRACE the NO CONTACT rules laid down by their clueless partner, therapist, clergy or other targets. That means they will disappear on you - probably forever. Not having YOU and THE TRUTH in the picture makes it INFINITELY easier for them to spin their web of lies & deceit to those desperate to believe it. (While it usually sends your PTSD into high gear)

    If they REALLY are sorry? They would TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH as well as sit down and give you face to face meetings - with WITNESSES.

    And they would reframe their relationships with their partners, you and everyone else and allow for healing and truth across the board.

    But don't hold your breath.


    After a while, when you have been lied to non-stop by a predator nothing makes any sense any more and you have no real idea of how healthy people function, how normal relationships work, and what is and is not acceptable behavior.

    Reality and normalcy really no longer exist after a long enough period of time living with a Narcissistic type psychopath, cyberpath & predator. How many times have you seen people on TV whose spouses or partners were arrested and they say "we have been together for 20 years and I HAD NO IDEA!!" We bet they DID have an idea but buried it.

    When approaching a partner/other targets about the predator/cyberpath (or one of their friends and associates), you must remember that it makes perfect, logical sense to YOU, but to THEM, either nothing has made sense for SO long OR.... they have been fed so many lies and twists and become so bonded to the predator that there is no way on this earth that you can expect a reasonable, proportionate reaction to anything you have to say or tell them.

    CLICK HERE FOR A GREAT ARTICLE ABOUT OTHERS "NOT GETTING IT"


    The associates, friends & partners of predators, cyberpaths, narcissists, psychopaths have been so brainwashed and reprogrammed that all reason goes out the figurative window.

    These predatory types are very good at covering their bases, asses, and tracks. NEVER for an instant forget that. They plan for things we wouldn't even think of because we are basically honest people that don't need to hide things.

    There are none so blind as those that will not see.


    Think about it... now, from your standpoint, if someone showed you pictures of your partner's vehicle, with the plates in clear view and them getting into the car near something that definitely IDs it as someone else's residence, and then they claimed they were never there, you'd laugh in their face, right? Of course you would.

    Because you're OUT of the relationship with that predator or liar and things make sense again. --- But what would you have done at the time? Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

    That said, Telling the Truth is the best and strongest option. But choose how you want to do it. (see links at the right where Victims Speak Out about the smear the predator tells about them!)

    Back up your plan and be ready for the above scenario. There are sites that deal with this sort of thing. Have hard & fast proof. Don't embellish. And be ready for the reaction.... whatever that may be.

    This should NOT be revenge but it can be empowering, conceptual closure and a step towards your healing.

    Thursday, March 8, 2012

    One Story of Closure: Naked Nikita

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    Thursday, September 8, 2011

    How to Keep Cyberpaths Away!

    EOPC believes that cyberpaths are both probably narcissistic and psychopathic in their pursuit, use, abuse and devaluation & disposal of victims. We changed the word narcissist with cyberpath to make a clearer point here, but the article is available in its original on a must read site - see link at bottom.

    This article illustrates why so many victims are fearful or simply do not speak out about them as they should. How to keep them away. And why they should rethink exposing them:

    (our comments in dark blue)
    [Online Predators] count on our shame to keep their secrets. They know that exposing them means exposing our own failings. That's what makes them so powerful. They manipulate us into these situations then sit back & watch us squirm between protecting ourselves or blowing the whistle. The [victim often] is still emotionally connected to the [Cyberpath], thus protecting them and accusing them alternatively. Many [victim]s will not name their [cyberpath]s to counsellors or other helpers, thus protecting their identity. The hook, which the [Cyberpath] has implanted in their heart, is hard to remove. If you want something to cry about, cry for the [Cyberpath]'s new victim(s), the innocent, unmarked, un-inoculated prey. These victims are carefully chosen...
    - Mary Ann Borg Cunen"


    by Kathy Krajco

    (excerpts)
    Perhaps the strangest thing about narcissistic abuse is the almost universal decision of the victim to put up with it. This is something other people cannot get their minds around. And it is one reason why they withhold sympathy from the victim, blowing off severe psychological abuse and mental cruelty as mere annoyance.


    But there are many understandable reasons why the victim puts up with it. All people need do is think a little to understand.
    MEN

    For one thing, cyberpaths don't abuse anyone they fear retribution from. They typically go to great lengths to make a lover totally dependent on them, financially and emotionaly, isolating the victim from his or her family and former friends before the narcissist's mask comes off and the abuse begins. Count on it: narcissists are brave enough to abuse only someone they already have over a barrel.

    This is what makes a narcissist's own children the easiset and most abused prey. (And future prey for narcissists, psychopaths & cyberpaths!)

    Imagine what life is like in a home where at least one of the parents (and probably a sibling as well) is a malignant narcissist. Marine Boot Camp is nothing compared to it. And, unlike Boot Camp, the aim isn't to improve posture and self-respect: the aim is to do the opposite. It's a constant hazing.

    The children of narcissists have been brainwashed into thinking it's their fault whenever the narcissist goes off. It's because they aren't worthy enough to deserve better treatment. They have been trained to view the narcissist's crackpot behavior as normal: being irrational to keep from losing an argument is normal and acceptable in that home; blowing up because someone else doesn't dress, think, say, or feel what you want them to is normal.

    Of course children raised in Hell are going to become adults who put up with narcissistic abuse. But let's get two things straight.

    First, the mental healthcare industry must ditch the social and political agenda: this happens as much, or more, in high-income homes and middle-income homes than poverty-stricken ones. In fact, there is documented evidence of that among imprisoned psychopaths.

    Second, the fact that grown children of narcissists are likely to put up with abuse doesn't mean they attract it. Or are attracted to abusers.

    I really doubt that. In fact, I bet the children of narcissists are quicker to smell a rat than other people are. Not that it does them much good when a narcissist is out to con them. Narcissists fool EVERYONE, even cops and psychologists.

    Years ago, I had a wonderful/ terrible opportunity to observe a marauding narcissist in action. He was an employer in an institution where sh*t flows uphill, so that he was unaccountable because his powerful superiors would cover up, and stonewall justice against, anything he did.

    He was quite a piece of work, and I actually had nothing better to do than study him. I noticed that he always tested a new mark. Right up front, within the first minutes of your first personal interaction with him, he would test you. If you passed that test, he was AFRAID of you! If you flunked it, as most people did, he moved in like a shark after its "tasting run" for the kill.

    Knowing this already, I then had the misfortune to live next door to a very different style of narcissist. One whose true colors showed to be very seedy indeed when the honeymoon was over and the domestic abuse began. In contrast to the administrator I mentioned above, this guy had a rap sheet a mile long. He tried to move the lot lines with con schemes. He would run over his neighbors' fences and small trees and bushes with his huge, jacked-up pickup truck and leash his dangerous dogs out onto your property to keep you from getting to your garage door. Mean and wild as a junkyard dog, that is, and drunk every day.

    How's that for a contrast in style? Yet both men were the same at bottom. They were just exploiting different environments.

    To my surprise, he tested his prey too. Immediately after his wife and children suddenly disappeared one day, he decided to replace them. In fact, I was grilling steaks when I overhead him snarl at his dog that he'd "get a new dog too" if doggie didn't behave.

    Before my wondering eyes could believe what they were seeing, he was hitting on me. Testing me to see if flattery would make me revise history. I was supposed to be so google-eyed over his sudden attentions that I would forget everything I knew about him and forget what he had done to us! I must say that that was the most breath-taking sample of raw narcissism I have ever seen.

    But guess what? He was now a different person, an unassuming and likeable man any woman would like. I was just as surprised at myself as I was him. His magic was truly tempting me. I had to keep a tight grip on reality and keep reminding myself of the past - when Dr. Jekyll here was Mr. Hyde. He was quite thick-headed about it and couldn't take a hint to get lost. I had to let him know with a wink one day that I saw right through him and was entertained by his efforts.

    Zoom, gone just like that, and bringing other women home (or posting new profiles on online dating sites, or contacting people from reunion sites, penpal sites, support boards, or) from the bars for testing in the role of his new mamma.

    If you do, you will seem to attract narcissists.

    In the case of the administrator, the first test was always a test of good faith. That's a test of your basic integrity. It was a test of fidelity, probing to see whether you would betray a collegue to please terrifying him. But it could also be a test to discover whether you will betray the truth to please axe-wielding him.

    A [cyberpath] seeking a lover as prey might test you by going off like firecracker in some off-the-wall reaction to something you do or say. The test is to see whether this herds your behavior in the direction he wants, whether you attempt to appease him, whether you forget about it tommorrow (when he acts like it never happened) by acting like it never happened. In other words, you flunk this test by "forgiving and forgetting." To a [cyberpath], that's commonly a green light. You pass this test by raising your own voice, saying, "What the hell are you mad about?" and "If you won't make sense and be reasonable, I won't waste my breath on you," deciding that if he is such a changeable, unpredictable Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, you aren't going to date or chat with him any more.
    men

    The street con artist always tests potential marks too. For example, will you do a stupid thing to please him just because he acts like you'll be a bad person if you don't? You pass the test by replying, "WHAT? Are you nuts? No!" You flunk the test by caving in to moral pressure by saying, "OK, I'll go into the bank and draw money out of my account to help you guys catch that evil teller."

    In any case this test is always a test to see if the [cyberpath] slams into the brick wall of a backbone. If he does, he flies away like a bee that has just discovered there's no nectar in that flower.

    From these examples, you can see that the children of narcissists are more likely than others to flunk some kinds of tests. For example, they have been brainwashed to regard as normal and tolerate blow-ups in people with the nerve to be so rude. They have been trained to say, "Well, yes he does have a terrible temper but he doesn't carry a grudge." Note the irony in that: the fact that he's all smiles the next day is a BAD sign, not a good one!

    But people with little or no experience with [cyberpaths]more likely to flunk other tests. (which is why its so important to tell tell tell to EDUCATE others!)
    The bottom line is that it isn't so much a matter of backbone as it is a matter of naivite. We all must face the fact that there are people like this out there. They look just like the rest of us. You can't tell who they are by their reputation or status or anything else. Only these red-flag behaviors give the predators among us away.

    Never forget that faces are masks and that we never really know what's going on in anyone else's head.


    You are easy prey for predators if you are naive, not knowing that you must just ALWAYS choose to have a backbone = ALWAYS pass the test.

    No matter WHO that other person is.
    Yes, even if people will say you're a bad person for it: good people don't prostitute themselves to the threat of being called a bad person for doing the right and/or sensible thing.
    So, just always pass the test. It's a vaccine for a cyberpath-free life.

    Not to mention a truly virtuous one.

    original article here

    Thursday, July 7, 2011

    Court Protects Anonymity



    By Evan Brown

    ShareSandals Resorts Intern. Ltd. v. Google, Inc., — N.Y.S.2d —, 2011 WL 1885939, (N.Y.A.D. 1 Dept., May 19, 2011)

    (U.S.A.) Some unknown person sent an email to a number of undisclosed recipients containing information that was critical of the hiring and other business practices of the Caribbean resort Sandals
    . Irritated by this communication, Sandals filed an action in New York state court seeking a subpoena to compel Google to identify the owner of the offending Gmail account.

    The trial court denied the petition seeking discovery. Sandals sought review with the appellate court. On appeal, the court affirmed the denial of the petition for discovery.

    Under New York law, a person or entity can learn the identity of an unknown possible defendant only when it demonstrates that it has “a meritorious cause of action and that the information sought is material and necessary to the actionable wrong.” In this case, the court held that the petition failed to demonstrate that Sandals had a meritorious cause of action.

    The court found that nothing in the petition identified specific assertions of fact as false. It also found that the lower court did not err in reasoning that the failure to allege the nature of the injuries caused by the statements in the email were fatal to the petition.

    It went on to find that even if the petition had sufficiently alleged the email injured Sandals’ business reputation or damaged its credit standing, it would still deny the application for disclosure of the account holder’s identification on the ground that the subject email was constitutionally protected opinion.

    In discussing this portion of its decision, the court said some interesting things about the nature of internet communications, apparently allowing a certain characterization of online speech to affect its rationale:




    The culture of Internet communications, as distinct from that of print media such a newspapers and magazines, has been characterized as encouraging a “freewheeling, anything-goes writing style.” [...] [T]he e-mail at issue here . . . bears some similarity to the type of handbills and pamphlets whose anonymity is protected when their publication is prompted by the desire to question, challenge and criticize the practices of those in power without incurring adverse consequences such as economic or official retaliation. [...] Indeed, the anonymity of the e-mail makes it more likely that a reasonable reader would view its assertions with some skepticism and tend to treat its contents as opinion rather than as fact.


    The court made clear that these observations were “in no way intended to immunize e-mails the focus and purpose of which are to disseminate injurious falsehoods about their subjects.” The real cause for concern, and the thing to protect against, in the court’s view, was “the use of subpoenas by corporations and plaintiffs with business interests to enlist the help of ISPs via court orders to silence their online critics, which threatens to stifle the free exchange of ideas.”



    original post here

    Court Protects Anonymity



    By Evan Brown

    ShareSandals Resorts Intern. Ltd. v. Google, Inc., — N.Y.S.2d —, 2011 WL 1885939, (N.Y.A.D. 1 Dept., May 19, 2011)

    (U.S.A.) Some unknown person sent an email to a number of undisclosed recipients containing information that was critical of the hiring and other business practices of the Caribbean resort Sandals
    . Irritated by this communication, Sandals filed an action in New York state court seeking a subpoena to compel Google to identify the owner of the offending Gmail account.

    The trial court denied the petition seeking discovery. Sandals sought review with the appellate court. On appeal, the court affirmed the denial of the petition for discovery.

    Under New York law, a person or entity can learn the identity of an unknown possible defendant only when it demonstrates that it has “a meritorious cause of action and that the information sought is material and necessary to the actionable wrong.” In this case, the court held that the petition failed to demonstrate that Sandals had a meritorious cause of action.

    The court found that nothing in the petition identified specific assertions of fact as false. It also found that the lower court did not err in reasoning that the failure to allege the nature of the injuries caused by the statements in the email were fatal to the petition.

    It went on to find that even if the petition had sufficiently alleged the email injured Sandals’ business reputation or damaged its credit standing, it would still deny the application for disclosure of the account holder’s identification on the ground that the subject email was constitutionally protected opinion.

    In discussing this portion of its decision, the court said some interesting things about the nature of internet communications, apparently allowing a certain characterization of online speech to affect its rationale:




    The culture of Internet communications, as distinct from that of print media such a newspapers and magazines, has been characterized as encouraging a “freewheeling, anything-goes writing style.” [...] [T]he e-mail at issue here . . . bears some similarity to the type of handbills and pamphlets whose anonymity is protected when their publication is prompted by the desire to question, challenge and criticize the practices of those in power without incurring adverse consequences such as economic or official retaliation. [...] Indeed, the anonymity of the e-mail makes it more likely that a reasonable reader would view its assertions with some skepticism and tend to treat its contents as opinion rather than as fact.


    The court made clear that these observations were “in no way intended to immunize e-mails the focus and purpose of which are to disseminate injurious falsehoods about their subjects.” The real cause for concern, and the thing to protect against, in the court’s view, was “the use of subpoenas by corporations and plaintiffs with business interests to enlist the help of ISPs via court orders to silence their online critics, which threatens to stifle the free exchange of ideas.”



    original post here

    Wednesday, March 11, 2009

    Nathan E.B. Thomas, Jr. - Check the WORD SALAD

    More examples of LOVE BOMBING & WORD SALAD from Nathan E.B. Thomas, Jr. (EOPC's opinions & commentary are in dark blue)

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    ---- Forwarded message from GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com -----
    Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:00:40 EDT
    From: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Reply-To: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Subject: Re: I have Internet available!!!
    To: Target #1

    ###, I am here for right now. I checked Hotmail and I have it open in case you come on. I cannot say about 16 September as I think I have something to do on 18-19 September 2002. I will see what can be arranged. Whatever dates they are I know that at least two of the days will be on a weekend. I am trying for 4 days and will see how that goes.

    Next year, I am
    working on a week that we can go somewhere that will be new for both of us and we can explore together, I do not know and I am just talking right now. There are so many things going on and I cannot promise a certain date. (So many women so little time??)

    No, I am working, but not at the moment because I am writing to you :) I hope I get a chance to see you today and if not then I will catch you next time around. Just in case I want to wish you a nice weekend and do not be flirting with those guys on the beach :) I think I need to be by your side so I can look at them all mean :) (oh SPARE US ALL!!)

    I think I will be in the office this weekend, because I have so much to do and there is not enough time during the week. That is not a bad thing as it keeps me out of trouble right :) (if you have a computer, you CAN'T stay out of trouble)

    Hugs and kisses to you also!

    T
    ----- Forwarded message from GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com -----
    Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:47:20 EDT
    From: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Reply-To: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Sorry, I missed you!
    To: Target #1

    Cutie! (USE SOMEONE'S REAL NAME!)

    That was so sweet. I could feel the emotions. Do you feel like that? (This guy just LOVES when women are CLAMORING for him & his attention!! Mind-twisting them!!) It is a very beautiful poem. I just got back and I saw that I have two emails from you. Yes, I saw the message and it said you did not have Internet and that you would get with me on Thursday. I do not know what time I will be back as I know I will be up before you and out in the world before you awake.

    Thanks again for the poem, if you were here you would get a nice hug from me to let you know how wonderful I thought it was.

    T
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    Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:10:05 EDT
    From: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Reply-To: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Subject: Take it easy..
    To: Target #1

    ###, here are a few words of wisdom: I think you will see the logic behind it all.
    T

    Everything I need to know about life, I learned from Noah's Ark...
    One: Don't miss the boat.
    Two: Remember that we are all in the same boat.
    Three: Plan ahead. It wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark.
    Four: Stay fit. When you're 600 years old, someone may ask you to do something really big.
    Five: Don't listen to critics; just get on with the job that needs to be done.
    Six: Build your future on high ground.
    Seven: For safety's sake, travel in pairs.
    Eight: Speed isn't always an advantage. The snails were on board with the cheetahs.
    Nine: When you're stressed, float a while.
    Ten: Remember, the Ark was built by amateurs; the Titanic by professionals.
    Eleven: No matter the storm, when you are with God, there's always a rainbow waiting.

    (Wonder how many of this targets Nathan sent this to? And coming from him, this tripe is really sickening)

    ----- Forwarded message from GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com -----
    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:56:41 EDT
    From: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Reply-To: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Subject: Re: I have to go!
    To: Target #1

    ###, now I think you know I will not forget about you. You know it was on a movie once where I guy told another one a story. There was the young guy looking at the older guy that had a very young girl friend. The younger guy could not understand how and what the younger woman seen in this older man. The older man replied that when you have a bird leave the bird cage door open, if the bird flies out and never comes back, it was never yours to begin with. The old man says he leaves the cage door open and the bird always comes back. What does it mean? I sense that sometimes you worry about me and other women and this maybe my ego talking but I do not think so. (LIAR!! She was listening to the BAD GUT FEELINGS you were giving her!! )

    I am hopping that I am thinking wrong. Relax and have confidence in what we have. (Relax? You are LYING to her & USING her!!)

    If I were going away on a vacation or a trip I would say it like I have in the past when I would go away for the weekend, if possible. This is work and you know I would not and could not forget you.
    (SAY WHAT? Can you just speak plainly, and tell the truth while you're at it?)

    We have a friendship that has a great distance between us and I know it makes it a strain at times, but then it means that the moments that we do have together chatting or even when we may be able to meet, they will be special and hold many sweet moments in our short time on this large planet. So, we have met aand we are joined in mind, so relax and enjoy, not worry so much that you rip apart the cords that are binding us. (Notice how he plants evil seeds in her mind: "binding us," "joined in mind," "relax" - this is MIND CONTROL!! Straight from books on picking up women!)

    To be my friend you have to be strong because if you are not you will not make it because the life I live will rip at you apart with worry. (When she finds the truth - she will be more ripped apart than you can imagine Nathan... since you have NO SOUL and NO EMPATHY. )

    Leave my cage door open and I think you will find that this bird will always come back to you
    (when I am done with everyone else) and be eating out of your hands and singing to you at night :) Then you may say it is not a bird, but a bear.

    Also, if there is any chance that I will be able to contact you, I will, like now. So, give me a smile, a nice wet kiss, and look out at the sun and know that I will be seeing it and more than likely sweating in it wanting so much to be in a nice office some place rather than where I will be at, at the time :)


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    T
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    THIS WAS YET ANOTHER BIG LIE. He still used that phone for some months after he sent this e-mail. He was merely going on vacation.

    ----- Forwarded message from GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com -----
    Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:04:11 EDT
    From: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Reply-To: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Subject: Re: I have to go!
    To: Target #1

    Hello ###, I came on about an hour after you left. I am sorry that I missed you. I think for a while it will be hard to get hold of one another. (WHAT'S THE REAL REASON!?)

    Starting on 5 August to 19 August I maybe hard to reach. We are doing some major changes and I will have to move all of my equipment. On 10 August, I will no longer be using this current phone, as it will be turned over to someone else. I will contact you as soon as I can with my new number.

    ----- Forwarded message from GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com -----
    Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:45:31 EDT
    From: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Reply-To: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Subject: Re: You're so right!
    To: Target #1

    ###, you do not have to thank me. We are and that is enough. We are to each other what needs to be filled and I think this is good. You are a sweet woman. That is very good that you took time out with the lady and her dog and I think it good to visit as I am sure she enjoys that very much.

    I do not understand why you should live in fear of your husband. You are a free woman and if he tried anything just put him in jail. Do not mess around and do not sneak around, for what?

    You are your own woman.
    (HELLO, Nathan - YOU ARE MARRIED - this statement from you is absolutely SICK!!)

    T

    ----- Forwarded message from GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com -----
    Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:39:22 EDT
    From: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Reply-To: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Hi dear friend!
    To: Target #1

    ###, I just got back and getting ready to go to bed. I will get up early in the morning and get on another plane. I should be back Sunday evening if everything goes well.

    Vacation, I said I was going to spend with you. Yes, when I see my kids, it will be in the States. I do not have the time just yet. to fly that distance I will need time. Maybe I am lucky and can make it for Christmas.

    T
    ----- Forwarded message from GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com -----
    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:18:35 EDT
    From: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Reply-To: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Subject: (no subject)
    To: Target #1

    ###, you wrote:

    I understand perfectly well you don't have to give details of your job. Also, the places where you go and all those things. I understand I don't have to know. What I told you was that you don't need to tell me you are on a place when you are on another. Did I made myself clear? (Nathan, you couldn't be clear if your life depended on it! - Readers: do your cyberfriends speak in this backwards, confusion, all over the place way? RUN IF THEY DO!! Of course Nathan picked on a foreign woman who simply questioned their understanding of English)

    ###, I understood perfectly well what you were saying, and I said I was exactly where I told you I was and doing exactly what I said I was doing at the time. You were saying that you did not believe I was on the plane because you said handies cannot be used and you heard music. I understand all of that. I informed you that phones can have numbers transferred and there are other things that technology can do. That is all I am saying on the matter. If I had no trust of you, you would not know all that you do now about me. In somethings you know more than my children. But, there are many things that we can talk about rather than work.

    You see really if I have to work it is not important where I go, just whether it is for work or private. Read my letter again, I cannot say it any other way. There is no malice I just say what I have to say and then that is it. You have my friendship. I deal with things a little different I say what I have to say and then I move on. You said exactly what I thought and I did not get it wrong. You thought I was not on the plane when I told you that I was. I am telling you that you were wrong aand it was not what you think. You were to think what anyone that did not know was to think if they called that number. (LIAR - she busted you and you are making her question what she is beginning to understand - that you are a PLAYER!!)

    So, I am through with that subject and to dwell on it will only get me upset for real aand I am sure it will not make you feel any better. So, if after all of that you still think you are right I am not going to try to change your mind. I say OK you have a right to your opinion, so lets move on. (Let's NOT - let's get you to TELL THE TRUTH!)

    There is no need to have a heavy heart, no need to think too deep, and no need to think I am upset with you. I respect your thoughts and you have a right to them. I tell you what I know about what you think and you can accept or reject what I am saying. That is your right.

    So, you are still my Cutie and we can move on now, I hope.

    T
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    ANOTHER HUGE LIE!:

    ----- Forwarded message from GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com -----
    Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:56:38 EDT
    From: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Reply-To: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Subject: Re: As I look out too!
    To: Target #1

    ###, I am waiting on a flight right now and I hope to be out of here soon. I am in a lounge away from everyone else and that is good. The lounge is full of foreigners it seems on business trips around here. (He was going NOWHERE! except in his daydreams)

    My children are fine and they all send me mail. Yes, my daughter is in Texas. she is going to try to leave there is a year and come to Germany. That way I can visit and see my grandchildren more too. I like that and hope that I will not have to travel as much as I am right now.

    Do you like the graphics that I put in the emails to you too? I arrange them and hope that they will catch your eye and have some meaning. (HUH? Nathan you get more strange all the time! graphical messages?)

    OK, until later Cutie!

    T
    ----- Forwarded message from GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com -----
    Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:09:34 EDT
    From: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Reply-To: GrizzlyBear90604@aol.com
    Subject: How Are You Doing?
    To: Target #1

    Hey Cutie!
    I hope all is going well with you. I am doing fine and I should be done here maybe around Tuesday. Hey you never told me did you drink the wine with your GodMother? Did you like it or not? If you did not like it I want that you tell me, not that I would get more and you really would not care for the taste. I understand as I am sure there will be things that one likes and the other does not in wine and food.

    OK, just wanted to drop you a line to let you know that I was thinking about you and hoping that you have a nice relaxing day.

    My, it is so humid here I am sweating so much, but the good side is that I have had more garlic dishes than I have had in a long time.
    (The target is the one who needs the garlic for this EMOTIONAL VAMPIRE)

    Be sweet and I will be chatting with you!

    T

    (NOTICE HOW CRYPTIC THIS PREDATOR IS!! NOTICE THE DOUBLE SPEAK!! What about yours?)

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