SUPPORT FOR EOPC ON THE MEGAN MEIER CASE

In regards to Fox TV's Mike & Juliet Show trying to portray Fighter & EOPC as raving lunatics or cyberbullies themselves (re: Megan Meier MySpace Suicide Case), we have gotten only ONE piece of hate mail and LOT of support mail. Here's one letter we'd like to share with all of you:

from:

The Dangerous Relationship Institute
A Relational Harm Reduction & Public Psychopathy Education Project
Sandra L. Brown, M.A. Director

Cyberpaths/ EOPC and all the other victim-based websites whose mission it is to educate and provide sanctuary and healing to those who have been victimized are the heart-beat of the victim's rights movement.

As the web grows to become a healing hospital, those of us who provide online services like Cyberpaths/EOPC know all too well, there are far more victims than website providers.

We need more victim-based services online that boldly proclaim the rights of victims, offer psychopathy education, and solace for those wounded in the soul.

We thank & support EOPC for their valuable contribution to victims worldwide in their valant efforts to educate and protect.

I am always saddened to hear when media and others take pot-shots at victim service providers like Fighter and EOPC. We owe them our gratitude and respect for the work they do and the lives they save.

It's easier to throw pot-shots than it is to provide what victim service web sites do, day in and day out. We need more courageous souls like the "Fighter" team that step forward and do the work -- not more sensationalistic media seekers!

Thank you EOPC!! -- from one victim service provider, to another.

FOR A REVIEW OF WHO WE ARE (click here)

AND WHY WE DO IT (click here)

LINKS TO THE MEGAN MEIER CASE POSTS:

JUSTICE FOR MEGAN MEIER - SIGN THE PETITION

CANDLELIGHT VIGIL FOR MEGAN

PUBLIC OUTCRY FOR JUSTICE IN THE MEGAN MEIER CASE

MEIER FAMILY SEEKS JUSTICE & LIST OF CONTACTS TO WRITE TO GET THE LAW TO DO SOMETHING! (it's been over a year!!)

DO PREDATORS EVER ADMIT THEY LIED OR TWISTED THE FACTS?

WHAT IS A CYBERBULLY?

"FIGHTER" & EOPC ATTACKED ON FOX TV

CLICK HERE FOR A LIST OF ONLINE ARTICLES AND BLOG POSTS ON THE MEGAN MEIER CASE

Link to write FoxTV to express your opinion for them portraying a VICTIM'S SUPPORT GROUP (EOPC & Scam Victims United) as 'crazy'!! CLICK HERE

To Contact Dr. Ablow and tell him what you think of him portraying Fighter & EOPC in a bad light because they are fighting legally for victims rights CLICK HERE

FROM OUR SUPPORT GROUP OF VICTIMS OF CYBERPATHS/ PREDATORS:

A CALL FOR A STAND

There exists in our society a sickness. This sickness is growing. I say this because of the toleration and lack of justice being directed towards the issues that need to have more recognition. Americans lives by double standards in so many aspects, then turns around and condemns those who try to take a stand. It is obvious just viewing some of the stories aired on national television.

I have to wonder if the media really sees the issues and tragedies, but simply just go after a story for their ratings.

Look at what is happening in our society! It is time to get serious and set a standard by taking a stand against the hateful victimization that is going on around the world.

The Internet has become not only a life source for many, it has also become a window of opportunity for predators to have direct access into the lives of unsuspecting vulnerable individuals. The root of the sickness centers around sexual & ethical immorality. There now even exists child pornography, and prostitutes can be sold for sex online. These pedophiles or johns even have boards where they can go and brag about their disgusting exploits. Online & real life predators have boards to discuss and share seduction and brainwashing techniques.

Let's look at just one horrible fact:
Children in Cambodia are being sold for sex at the age of 5 years old, maybe even younger. Can you think of anything worse than the reality they are forced to live in? This problem will become more wide spread and out of control if the issues are not recognized and addressed.

There are now some weblogs and websites that help educate and expose stories that people submit who are conned, used, even brainwashed for money, sexual gratification or just fun. The problem is that there is so much compromise and gray area in the law as to what is considered illegal and what is not.

Dateline's TO CATCH A PREDATOR showed so much progress as far as using cyberspace for the good it can do when so many are using it for their own destructive games. Still, they were ridiculed by certain media groups and some websites because these groups felt the predators were being treated unfairly.

This is unbelievable to comprehend.

Recently a story aired about a young girl named Megan Meier who committed suicide because of a online seduction hoax orchestrated by an adult. Now, a year later, the story spreads throughout the internet because the people who caused this girl so much pain were not held accountable! The story came out on various online sites.

The very sites that have been created as a way to start standing up against the exploitation and get the word out are now being talked about negatively as if THEY are guilty of cyberbullying the predators who first cyberbullied. Another ridiculous and intolerant attitude.

We are seeing this happen more and more! The message really is that there isn't clear or tough enough standards being set about these issues.

Another compromised and too-tolerant attitude that sets a double standard that I see repeatedly is the content within the sitcoms and some of the talk shows. In a single hour setting you will hear stories about sexual exploitation (hook ups, getting laid, getting over on a girl, etc.) followed by a show that is exploiting the same themes within its content. This is contradiction and it is everywhere. No wonder children are becoming desensitized, they are becoming sexually active at younger ages without feeling remorse or accountability because of the excessive use by the entertainment industry and media groups.

Even video games are now another lure into sexual or interpersonally exploitive situations and the advertisers are targeting even elementary age children with exploitive characters!

It is hard to believe that there is more tolerance for this moral destruction than for those who speak against it.

It is hard to believe that some have more sympathy for Lori Drew and her family than those who are trying to get the law to finally do something for the Meier family after they have lived in agony over the exploitation and subsequent death of their daughter Megan.

Renee

SUPPORT FOR EOPC ON THE MEGAN MEIER CASE

In regards to Fox TV's Mike & Juliet Show trying to portray Fighter & EOPC as raving lunatics or cyberbullies themselves (re: Megan Meier MySpace Suicide Case), we have gotten only ONE piece of hate mail and LOT of support mail. Here's one letter we'd like to share with all of you:

from:

The Dangerous Relationship Institute
A Relational Harm Reduction & Public Psychopathy Education Project
Sandra L. Brown, M.A. Director

Cyberpaths/ EOPC and all the other victim-based websites whose mission it is to educate and provide sanctuary and healing to those who have been victimized are the heart-beat of the victim's rights movement.

As the web grows to become a healing hospital, those of us who provide online services like Cyberpaths/EOPC know all too well, there are far more victims than website providers.

We need more victim-based services online that boldly proclaim the rights of victims, offer psychopathy education, and solace for those wounded in the soul.

We thank & support EOPC for their valuable contribution to victims worldwide in their valant efforts to educate and protect.

I am always saddened to hear when media and others take pot-shots at victim service providers like Fighter and EOPC. We owe them our gratitude and respect for the work they do and the lives they save.

It's easier to throw pot-shots than it is to provide what victim service web sites do, day in and day out. We need more courageous souls like the "Fighter" team that step forward and do the work -- not more sensationalistic media seekers!

Thank you EOPC!! -- from one victim service provider, to another.

FOR A REVIEW OF WHO WE ARE (click here)

AND WHY WE DO IT (click here)

LINKS TO THE MEGAN MEIER CASE POSTS:

JUSTICE FOR MEGAN MEIER - SIGN THE PETITION

CANDLELIGHT VIGIL FOR MEGAN

PUBLIC OUTCRY FOR JUSTICE IN THE MEGAN MEIER CASE

MEIER FAMILY SEEKS JUSTICE & LIST OF CONTACTS TO WRITE TO GET THE LAW TO DO SOMETHING! (it's been over a year!!)

DO PREDATORS EVER ADMIT THEY LIED OR TWISTED THE FACTS?

WHAT IS A CYBERBULLY?

"FIGHTER" & EOPC ATTACKED ON FOX TV

CLICK HERE FOR A LIST OF ONLINE ARTICLES AND BLOG POSTS ON THE MEGAN MEIER CASE

Link to write FoxTV to express your opinion for them portraying a VICTIM'S SUPPORT GROUP (EOPC & Scam Victims United) as 'crazy'!! CLICK HERE

To Contact Dr. Ablow and tell him what you think of him portraying Fighter & EOPC in a bad light because they are fighting legally for victims rights CLICK HERE

FROM OUR SUPPORT GROUP OF VICTIMS OF CYBERPATHS/ PREDATORS:

A CALL FOR A STAND

There exists in our society a sickness. This sickness is growing. I say this because of the toleration and lack of justice being directed towards the issues that need to have more recognition. Americans lives by double standards in so many aspects, then turns around and condemns those who try to take a stand. It is obvious just viewing some of the stories aired on national television.

I have to wonder if the media really sees the issues and tragedies, but simply just go after a story for their ratings.

Look at what is happening in our society! It is time to get serious and set a standard by taking a stand against the hateful victimization that is going on around the world.

The Internet has become not only a life source for many, it has also become a window of opportunity for predators to have direct access into the lives of unsuspecting vulnerable individuals. The root of the sickness centers around sexual & ethical immorality. There now even exists child pornography, and prostitutes can be sold for sex online. These pedophiles or johns even have boards where they can go and brag about their disgusting exploits. Online & real life predators have boards to discuss and share seduction and brainwashing techniques.

Let's look at just one horrible fact:
Children in Cambodia are being sold for sex at the age of 5 years old, maybe even younger. Can you think of anything worse than the reality they are forced to live in? This problem will become more wide spread and out of control if the issues are not recognized and addressed.

There are now some weblogs and websites that help educate and expose stories that people submit who are conned, used, even brainwashed for money, sexual gratification or just fun. The problem is that there is so much compromise and gray area in the law as to what is considered illegal and what is not.

Dateline's TO CATCH A PREDATOR showed so much progress as far as using cyberspace for the good it can do when so many are using it for their own destructive games. Still, they were ridiculed by certain media groups and some websites because these groups felt the predators were being treated unfairly.

This is unbelievable to comprehend.

Recently a story aired about a young girl named Megan Meier who committed suicide because of a online seduction hoax orchestrated by an adult. Now, a year later, the story spreads throughout the internet because the people who caused this girl so much pain were not held accountable! The story came out on various online sites.

The very sites that have been created as a way to start standing up against the exploitation and get the word out are now being talked about negatively as if THEY are guilty of cyberbullying the predators who first cyberbullied. Another ridiculous and intolerant attitude.

We are seeing this happen more and more! The message really is that there isn't clear or tough enough standards being set about these issues.

Another compromised and too-tolerant attitude that sets a double standard that I see repeatedly is the content within the sitcoms and some of the talk shows. In a single hour setting you will hear stories about sexual exploitation (hook ups, getting laid, getting over on a girl, etc.) followed by a show that is exploiting the same themes within its content. This is contradiction and it is everywhere. No wonder children are becoming desensitized, they are becoming sexually active at younger ages without feeling remorse or accountability because of the excessive use by the entertainment industry and media groups.

Even video games are now another lure into sexual or interpersonally exploitive situations and the advertisers are targeting even elementary age children with exploitive characters!

It is hard to believe that there is more tolerance for this moral destruction than for those who speak against it.

It is hard to believe that some have more sympathy for Lori Drew and her family than those who are trying to get the law to finally do something for the Meier family after they have lived in agony over the exploitation and subsequent death of their daughter Megan.

Renee

'FIGHTER' ATTACKED ON FOX TV OVER MEGAN MEIER CASE!

Today, Friday November 30, 2007 - one of the "Fighter was interviewed, via phone, on Fox's Mike & Juliet Show - sometime after 9am Eastern Standard Time.
This interview was in regard to the Megan Meier suicide and EOPC's support of the exposure of Lori Drew, the ADULT woman that drove a 13-year old, vulnerable girl to kill herself.

We had hoped to touch on the failures of the legal system on not just this case but all cases involving this sort of mental & emotional rape.

We weren't given much of a chance. We were set up to be sandbagged as part of what Fox TV decided is a CYBER MOB.

Despite the fact that we were sandbagged by Dr. Ablow for voicing his own prejudices and Fox for using the pseudonym Fighter - we were happy to do the interview. Why? Because we know the lemmings in the audience don't represent our support base. (There's a reason Dr. Ablow lost his TV show, too!)

In brief:
Tina Meier (Megan's mom) said she supported sites like ours.

Dr. Keith Ablow made comments about using our FIGHTER pseudonym and agreed with others who inferred we were 'just as bad as Lori Drew' (audience applauded a lot at this) and cyberbullies ourselves.

We were not allowed to make the point that our intent is to validate & help victims, help predators stop - if they want to stop - and to educate others about how this online seduction & manipulation works.

Dr. Ablow inferred EOPC was the "pathological" or sick ones for our efforts to get the laws changed via internet pressure, because we maintain anonymity as "Fighter."

We were also literally cut off a couple times and called part of a "CYBER MOB" at least 3 times - already positioning EOPC in a bad light. The audience was prompted to applaud every time someone on the stage called us out on our anonymity and what our site is about as being "just as bad as the predators" for linking to Lori Drew's personal information.

Let us make these points VERY clear:

1. We do not advocate VIGILANTE JUSTICE. We do NOT consider ourselves a "cyber mob." We consider ourselves CONCERNED CITIZENS. "Cyber Mob" was an inflammatory term used by Fox TV to sensationalize this story.

2. We are posting already available PUBLIC INFORMATION and linking to it; JUST LIKE MANY NEWS SITES. (we were chastised for posting rottenneighbor.com) These sites are for people to read and make up their own minds. The New York Times didn't shy away from naming the Drews! We did nothing that many media outlets did WAAAAY before us. It was already PUBLIC information

3. We know all about the ONLINE DISINHIBITION EFFECT, Dr. Ablow. We have chosen to stay anonymous to protect our FAMILIES - not ourselves. If you read some of the stories of past exposes that we do - you will see we are trying to teach people about the pathological patterns that predators - like Lori Drew, use to lure and hurt VULNERABLE adults. Are we doing the same thing as a cyberbully using a pseudonym? Probably - but our INTENT IS COMPLETELY & UTTERLY DIFFERENT! Like our models: Perverted Justice.

4. Do we have transferred anger as victims ourselves, Dr. Ablow? Absolutely - but instead of REVENGE we felt educating people about this sort of internet manipulation and abuse as well as validating and supporting victims was a better use of our anger. And we are now doing the same for the Meier Family - and will continue to.

5. Lastly, we ABSOLUTELY believe that this should be used to PUT PRESSURE on the justice system - which for over a year - has FAILED the MEIER family. CLICK HERE FOR A BETTER SITE ON THAT. Justice does need to do its job, but in Megan's case - we gave it a BIG BIG push.

NO MATTER HOW MUCH FOX, Dr. Ablow OR ANY OTHER MEDIA OUTLET TRIES TO MAKE US OUT TO BE A 'CYBERMOB' OR SPIN US TO BE CYBERBULLIES - WE WILL CONTINUE OUR FIGHT FOR JUSTICE IN THIS CASE!

“There are no words to explain my rage,” Ms. Meier said. “These people were supposed to be our friends.” (New York Times interview)

Many of our own victims have gone to police & prosecutors desperate for help, KNOWING that their cyberpaths have broken laws ALEADY ON THE BOOKS - AND NOTHING was done!

Examples:

A. Ed Hicks, our first expose: 2 of his wives had to do all the legwork and police did NOTHING until the press & internet got involved. Dr. Phil picked up the story eventually and Hicks spent a year in jail. Though he is BACK on line using a pseudonym.

B. Gridney aka YidwithLid aka Sammy Benoit (all pseudonyms; not his real name):

One of his targets refused to allow us to publish his real name. And we have kept our promise to her. If you search for posts here on EOPC with his nicknames you will get some very educational examples of his 'online manipulation.'

- His targets turned over information they found on him to NYPD Major Case which ended up in the conviction and incarceration of THIS WOMAN. He was using her service for years! (ain't he a nice guy, treating all women like that (including his targets)?)

- One of his victims went to the hospital after it all. Gridney aka YidwithLid? well, NOTHING happened to him. He wasn't even charged with SOLICITATION though there was plenty of hard evidence to charge him and we contacted NYPD, and both the Manhattan & Suffolk County Prosecutor's office because of what we saw. He has NO remorse or compassion for sending a woman to the hospital; even though she tried to prevent him from being arrested!!

- He even sent homemade porn to his targets over the internet - which traumatized at least one of them - who turned it over to the FBI. What was done? NOTHING!! (you can search under YidwithLid to find 'Sammy's' new blog - we won't link to it ourselves) Supposedly this predator's wife pulled strings with their local police dept.

- 'Sammy' started a hate site (Blogger removed it) about one of his traumatized victims, because he probably feels he GOT AWAY WITH IT and needs someone to blame so he, like Lori Drew, can play victim! No apologies, no feeling bad for what he did - he also refuses to mention his hooker & porn habit -- LIKE THEY NEVER EXISTED (sorry we & the police know different)

C . Nathan E.B. Thomas - Thomas' latest victim has been tracking down information on him to charge him with Bigamy. He's married in the U.S., Canada and possibly Europe! Are the police helping? NO! They are making his victims do all the work - and we are trying to help them take down this serial predator.

GOD BLESS THE MEIER FAMILY - WHO HAVE HANDLED THIS WITH A LOT OF TACT & CLASS.

THE BOTTOM LINE: an innocent 13 year old is dead over a year and her murderer has yet to be charged with any of the numerous statutes that could (and we believe do) cover this case. Laws need to be changed!! Let's write our lawmakers and get that change!

'FIGHTER' ATTACKED ON FOX TV OVER MEGAN MEIER CASE!

Today, Friday November 30, 2007 - one of the "Fighter was interviewed, via phone, on Fox's Mike & Juliet Show - sometime after 9am Eastern Standard Time.
This interview was in regard to the Megan Meier suicide and EOPC's support of the exposure of Lori Drew, the ADULT woman that drove a 13-year old, vulnerable girl to kill herself.

We had hoped to touch on the failures of the legal system on not just this case but all cases involving this sort of mental & emotional rape.

We weren't given much of a chance. We were set up to be sandbagged as part of what Fox TV decided is a CYBER MOB.

Despite the fact that we were sandbagged by Dr. Ablow for voicing his own prejudices and Fox for using the pseudonym Fighter - we were happy to do the interview. Why? Because we know the lemmings in the audience don't represent our support base. (There's a reason Dr. Ablow lost his TV show, too!)

In brief:
Tina Meier (Megan's mom) said she supported sites like ours.

Dr. Keith Ablow made comments about using our FIGHTER pseudonym and agreed with others who inferred we were 'just as bad as Lori Drew' (audience applauded a lot at this) and cyberbullies ourselves.

We were not allowed to make the point that our intent is to validate & help victims, help predators stop - if they want to stop - and to educate others about how this online seduction & manipulation works.

Dr. Ablow inferred EOPC was the "pathological" or sick ones for our efforts to get the laws changed via internet pressure, because we maintain anonymity as "Fighter."

We were also literally cut off a couple times and called part of a "CYBER MOB" at least 3 times - already positioning EOPC in a bad light. The audience was prompted to applaud every time someone on the stage called us out on our anonymity and what our site is about as being "just as bad as the predators" for linking to Lori Drew's personal information.

Let us make these points VERY clear:

1. We do not advocate VIGILANTE JUSTICE. We do NOT consider ourselves a "cyber mob." We consider ourselves CONCERNED CITIZENS. "Cyber Mob" was an inflammatory term used by Fox TV to sensationalize this story.

2. We are posting already available PUBLIC INFORMATION and linking to it; JUST LIKE MANY NEWS SITES. (we were chastised for posting rottenneighbor.com) These sites are for people to read and make up their own minds. The New York Times didn't shy away from naming the Drews! We did nothing that many media outlets did WAAAAY before us. It was already PUBLIC information

3. We know all about the ONLINE DISINHIBITION EFFECT, Dr. Ablow. We have chosen to stay anonymous to protect our FAMILIES - not ourselves. If you read some of the stories of past exposes that we do - you will see we are trying to teach people about the pathological patterns that predators - like Lori Drew, use to lure and hurt VULNERABLE adults. Are we doing the same thing as a cyberbully using a pseudonym? Probably - but our INTENT IS COMPLETELY & UTTERLY DIFFERENT! Like our models: Perverted Justice.

4. Do we have transferred anger as victims ourselves, Dr. Ablow? Absolutely - but instead of REVENGE we felt educating people about this sort of internet manipulation and abuse as well as validating and supporting victims was a better use of our anger. And we are now doing the same for the Meier Family - and will continue to.

5. Lastly, we ABSOLUTELY believe that this should be used to PUT PRESSURE on the justice system - which for over a year - has FAILED the MEIER family. CLICK HERE FOR A BETTER SITE ON THAT. Justice does need to do its job, but in Megan's case - we gave it a BIG BIG push.

NO MATTER HOW MUCH FOX, Dr. Ablow OR ANY OTHER MEDIA OUTLET TRIES TO MAKE US OUT TO BE A 'CYBERMOB' OR SPIN US TO BE CYBERBULLIES - WE WILL CONTINUE OUR FIGHT FOR JUSTICE IN THIS CASE!

“There are no words to explain my rage,” Ms. Meier said. “These people were supposed to be our friends.” (New York Times interview)

Many of our own victims have gone to police & prosecutors desperate for help, KNOWING that their cyberpaths have broken laws ALEADY ON THE BOOKS - AND NOTHING was done!

Examples:

A. Ed Hicks, our first expose: 2 of his wives had to do all the legwork and police did NOTHING until the press & internet got involved. Dr. Phil picked up the story eventually and Hicks spent a year in jail. Though he is BACK on line using a pseudonym.

B. Gridney aka YidwithLid aka Sammy Benoit (all pseudonyms; not his real name):

One of his targets refused to allow us to publish his real name. And we have kept our promise to her. If you search for posts here on EOPC with his nicknames you will get some very educational examples of his 'online manipulation.'

- His targets turned over information they found on him to NYPD Major Case which ended up in the conviction and incarceration of THIS WOMAN. He was using her service for years! (ain't he a nice guy, treating all women like that (including his targets)?)

- One of his victims went to the hospital after it all. Gridney aka YidwithLid? well, NOTHING happened to him. He wasn't even charged with SOLICITATION though there was plenty of hard evidence to charge him and we contacted NYPD, and both the Manhattan & Suffolk County Prosecutor's office because of what we saw. He has NO remorse or compassion for sending a woman to the hospital; even though she tried to prevent him from being arrested!!

- He even sent homemade porn to his targets over the internet - which traumatized at least one of them - who turned it over to the FBI. What was done? NOTHING!! (you can search under YidwithLid to find 'Sammy's' new blog - we won't link to it ourselves) Supposedly this predator's wife pulled strings with their local police dept.

- 'Sammy' started a hate site (Blogger removed it) about one of his traumatized victims, because he probably feels he GOT AWAY WITH IT and needs someone to blame so he, like Lori Drew, can play victim! No apologies, no feeling bad for what he did - he also refuses to mention his hooker & porn habit -- LIKE THEY NEVER EXISTED (sorry we & the police know different)

C . Nathan E.B. Thomas - Thomas' latest victim has been tracking down information on him to charge him with Bigamy. He's married in the U.S., Canada and possibly Europe! Are the police helping? NO! They are making his victims do all the work - and we are trying to help them take down this serial predator.

GOD BLESS THE MEIER FAMILY - WHO HAVE HANDLED THIS WITH A LOT OF TACT & CLASS.

THE BOTTOM LINE: an innocent 13 year old is dead over a year and her murderer has yet to be charged with any of the numerous statutes that could (and we believe do) cover this case. Laws need to be changed!! Let's write our lawmakers and get that change!