Showing posts with label twisted. Show all posts
Showing posts with label twisted. Show all posts

Monday, April 23, 2012

DEALING WITH YOUR OUTRAGE - WHEN YOU FIND OUT YOU'VE BEEN USED

When a narcissistic type (most cyberpaths & predators are NARCISSISTIC and/ or SOCIOPATHIC) launches one of his surprise attacks, a normal person's first reaction is to assume it's a misunderstanding and try to resolve it. That's her first mistake. She does this because she assumes she is dealing with a normal human being, who must have felt offended by something.

But a narcissist evades and discourages your attempts to find out why he's mad.

Typically he does this with a reply that is a reply to something other than what you said. So, to an observer who entered at your question it would seem that you are like two actors saying lines from the scripts of different plays. In fact, that is essentially what's happening. Remember, the narcissist has the personality of a little child, who does not distinguish between reality and fantasy. So, his off-the-wall reply IS a line from a script, the fiction about this incident that he is imagining.

This is how the verbal exchange typically plays out. You ask why he's mad. He has no answer that he dares acknowledge, so the question is a threat to his delusions. At all costs, he must protect them. So, he annihilates your question by acting as though you never asked it. You get a comeback that replies to something other than what you said.

That's his way of crossing out your words and revising them. Typically his non-answer hurls an incitatory insult, hurtful flippant comment or wild accusation. It's bait to draw you off the scent.

His favorite wild accusation is that YOU are always hurling wild accusations at him. Before you know it, this living, breathing Projection Machine is acting out a fictitious script in which YOU are the one who got mad, YOU are the one "flying into one of your rages" over nothing.

And he is doing his best to make it so. He is trying to outrage you. Moreover, outraging you will really make him feel grand about how mightily he vaunted himself on you.

Victims typically report that the narcissist twists everything so fast and furiously that it makes their heads spin.

Sanity will get no further with him on these points than it did on the first point. For, he ain't all there. He's off in his own little world, simultaneously writing the play and acting out the part of the hero in it.

If you contradict these lies (by telling the truth), he will do whatever is necessary to cram them down your throat. (sounds like
Beckstead, Thomas & Dunetz/ YidwithLid, Gash, Jacoby, Hicks)

Like a three-year-old, volume is his weapon of choice: He will scream to yell you down and silence you. Or post lies & smear about you all over the web. If that doesn't work, he'll probably get physical. (if he stalks you he will find a way to make it look like YOU are the stalker! Including reporting YOU to the police)

Also, narcissists relentlessly block communication by yanking a conversation bewilderingly off track every which way at once. They say it's "not a good idea" that you two talk. Maybe their girlfriend, wife or boss (or THERAPIST!) doesn't want you talking anymore to each other. Convenient way to duck out of the truth and a real apology.
They LOVE when THEY'VE involved you in infidelity - they BLAME you for the whole thing, say you "KNEW WHAT YOU WERE GETTING INTO" or "IT WAS JUST A GAME AND SHE KNEW IT" and then say their counselor, pastor, rabbi, priest says that "you have to stop speaking to her." Makes it really easy for them, don't it?

So, rarely can you say afterwards what a rage or an argument was even about. Usually it's some vague rendition of you just being the way you are. And the narcissist says he doesn't have to put up with that. Its HIS story - or it's NO STORY!!

You can't even just try to smooth it over with some form of appeasement. You try to take down postings about them, say you're sorry too, offer to talk - but NOOOOOOO! That's about as effective as it was with Adolf Hitler. His eyes light up at that — vroom! — he just shifts into high gear and runs you over. In other words, he just gets madder.

Because you gave an inch, he takes a mile.


He acts like he's the one who is outraged, but that's part of the farce produced by his Magical Thinking Machine. You are the one subjected to outrage.

This is a willful and wanton outrage. Their aim is to outrage you, to break you down into burning outraged tears. That's victory for the bully.

The reason all this outrages you is because it is an outrage. Especially in trying to cram his lies about you down your throat. That's extreme perversity — making someone bend over for it.

And, if you have any respect for Truth, his willful and wanton contempt for it is another outrage.

So, don't let anybody send you on a guilt trip over this. First, you did nothing to provoke it except get caught in his cross hairs.
Second, don't let any airhead who just mouths whatever nonsense blows in the wind today tell you that you shouldn't be angry or to "just let it go."

It is absurd to regard feelings as wrong or sinful. If a person gets burnt, there's something wrong with him if he doesn't feel burnt. Feelings are not a matter of choice, an act of the will. We can lie about them. We can deny/repress them. But we can't change them.

Know your anger. Because it's dangerous to repress it. Doing so just banishes it to the subconscious where it still motivates your behavior like an unseen puppet master.

Know your anger, so you can deal with it appropriately and temper it with reason and good judgment.

~~~~


He sees himself as right, the victim, or the only one that knows anything at all. He sees you as the re-victimizer of him, wonderful and yet horrible, needed and yet hated, smart yet dependent on him, in need of his brilliance, faulty without him, as pathological as he is... and the list goes on.

Pathology is the inability to change and sustain change, grow in any meaningful way, or develop insight about how one's behavior effects other. If he can't change he projects his inability on you and makes it YOUR fault or YOUR inability to change that is the problem in the relationship. He acts as if he should not be asked to change or he has changed when he hasn't. He makes you 'think' that you asked for something huge and wrong for him to change OR that what needs changing is only you and nothing in him.

If he can't grow in any meaningful way, he projects his non-growth onto the relationship and suggests it's the relationship stagnation you are really experiencing. If you could only GROW to accept him in all his pathology, then the relationship would thrive. If he can't develop insight about how his behavior effects others, he projects his undeveloped insight on you and says these are your traits. And you simply don't understand 'what you are doing to him.' All his anger is yours, all his deviancy is yours, you are just as sick as he is which is why you are a great match, all his lying is yours, all his manipulations are yours.

That's because in pathology they are MASTER PROJECTORS. It is in fact, one of the 'symptoms' of pathology. They take all their pathological attributes and say they are YOURS.

The Master Projection he uses causes similar symptoms as people who have been held captive, thrust into cults, or held prisoner in other people's belief systems. These are intensely programmed beliefs that are not 'removed' simply because you break up.

Saturday, January 7, 2012

"Find Your Perfect NIGHTMARE Online"

"Find Your Perfect Date at Match.com", reads this online dating service's current banner ad. "Find a Nightmare", reads the banner ad attached to the inside of my skull. Because online dating, at least in my experience, is one of the unfunniest jokes around.

What am I ranting about? Well, the six months that I spent on Match.com, and the 120 dollars I coughed up were complete wastes of time and money.

I first joined Match.com because it seemed to have the biggest database, and its friendly, photo-driven database let me actually look at the people I was sending e-mail to. Unfortunately, the database underwent a complete restructuring shortly after I joined, destoying several evening's worth of work creating an an earnest, heartfelt personal profile. So I had to painstakingly re-enter all this information.

After re-building my personal information, reconstructing my personal search criteria, and uploading a new picture of myself, I waited patiently for some incoming e-mail to arrive. After two weeks had gone by, with nary a response, I went on the offensive, and started to actively search for women matching my criteria (heavy-smoking divorced caucasion atheists).

I quickly found that there were forty-one of these people within a 50 mile radius of my location. Because I don't believe that love is blind, I narrowed my search criteria to the twenty-five who had actually uploaded pictures of themselves, and immediately screened out another seven for being butt-ugly. That left me with eighteen, so I composed one heartfelt, sincere, earnest e-mail, and sent the same message to the group using a "blind copy BCC".
Five women of the eighteen replied, and over the next several weeks, I began trading e-mails with three of them. Here is a brief summary of the resulting encounters.

Date 1: A Candle-Lit Dinner
J*** seemed to have everything going for her. A cute face, a paying job at a prominent New York film institute, a wry way of expressing herself in e-mail, and realistic expectations about the prospects of meeting Mr. Right through an online dating service. She wrote: "I really don't think we'll know if there's a real connection between us until we actually sit down together and make eye contact". She suggested we meet at an intimate Italian restaurant near her workplace on the West Side, and I hung out at the bar until she showed up.

I remember sitting there with a Diet Coke, with my back to the entrance and my mind swirling with fantasies about what we'd talk about - the arts, Giuliani, the Yankees - whatever seemed most conducive to romance. But then, my reverie was broken when an extremely large woman tapped me on the shoulder, I turned around, and it was J*** - about 80 pounds heavier than her picture had indicated. I could hardly even see her eyes peering out from within the folds of fat, much less make contact with them.

Because I consider myself a gentleman, I bought her dinner (Lasagna), and talked exclusively about Giuliani, which seemed to please her to no end. But as soon as I could dump her in the subway, I ran screaming back to the East side, and never sent her e-mail again.
Date 2: Romantic Phone Sex
With the J*** experience safely behind me, I began to more carefully analyze the pictures that my six "hot" prospects had uploaded of themselves, to look for obvious signs of retouching or Loch Ness monster-style fakery. Using software originally developed by the CIA Global Maps Division, I began blowing up and enhancing some of these grainy JPEGs, and sure enough, several contained dead giveways that they were taken many years ago, when the subject was in much better (or at least much younger) shape. These background clues included biplanes flying in the distance, cars with tailfins, and an old Nixon: Now More Than Ever poster.

I was left with two prospects whose pictures seemed honest. One was an exotic belly-dancer, and I had made all the arrangements to meet her when she requested that we talk on the phone first.

There was scratchy Middle Eastern music playing in the background when I called, and what seemed to be a couple of hungry kids screaming. This is in itself wasn't a turnoff - in fact it was almost a turn-on. But when this poor woman began talking, I knew that there was no way on earth that we could ever communicate earnestly and heartfeltly about anything, at least in any extant language. She sounded like just like Brezhnev did after a hard night of drinking, so I told her I was feeling ill (which I was), and I moved our date into the far-distant future (2006).
Date 3: Sexy E-Mail
Older, wiser, but still horny as hell, I was now down to just one prospect, so I sent her another piece of earnest e-mail. By this time, I was becoming increasingly desperate to meet someone under 800 lbs. who actually spoke the English language, but I was also getting gunshy.

So I began asking a few personal questions about her - what kind of food she liked eating, whether she liked music from the Middle East, or had a thing for vodka - innocuous things like that. I had become accustomed to this kind of probing behavior - (one of my correspondents had actually asked for my Social Security Number, and I stupidly complied, and of course never heard from her again).

To this day, I don't think I was being overly intrusive, but my correspondent clearly thought differently. Maybe she got my e-mail at the end of a long day, or her real boyfriend had dumped her - I'll never know. But here's the reply I got back after sending her a simple "request for clarification of one of your earlier points" message:

WHAT THE HELL IS THE MATTER WITH YOU. DO YOU WANT TO MEET ME OR NOT? ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE AMBIVALENT SONS OF B*TCHES WHO CANT MAKE UP THEIR MIND - ARE YOU SRIOUS ABOUT MEETING ME OR JUST WANT TO TORTURE ME AND F*CK WITH MY HEAD? DON'T BOTHER REPONDING - IM UP TO HERE WTH YOUR DUMB QUESTIONS. N**
Epilogue:
I cancelled my Match.com subscription, spent the money I saved on two reasonably good subscription porn services, and tried to forget the whole thing. But I can't really forget, because every day, I receive junk mail about some wretched new Match.com event - a wine tasting, or a boat cruise, or a getaway weekend.

Someday, I'm sure I'll meet someone, and maybe, God willing, we'll wind up having grandchildren together. But I'm 100% sure that I'd be better off taking my chances with a random, in-your-face encounter than by flying blind in a world of illusion. And I'll certainly never date online again, until such time as they can screen out the imposters, the losers, the psychos, and the women who sound like Brezhnev.

I actually do know people who have met compatible mates online, but I believe these success stories are vastly outnumbered by the number of empty, unhappy, soul-searing experiences that nobody publicizes - the victims are too ashamed, and the service doesn't want to know either. Match.com and its brethren are, in my opinion, seamy lonely-hearts clubs where deception, trickery, and paranoia run rampant, scarring the gullible and the guileless.

But then again, I guess I'm one of those "ambivalent sons-of-b*tches who can't make up their mind" - at least about throwing myself blindly into the arms of these cyber-weirdos.

ORIGINAL POST HERE

Sunday, June 26, 2011

Why do YOU Always Have to be Right, Martyr Man?

(this wonderful article can be read in its entirety at THIS SITE. It could be a letter to any of our cyberpaths. We recommend you read the whole thing at the site linked below! - EOPC)

Dear Martyr Man,

You will always be the victim, in every situation where someone tries to get close to you. You cannot relate to women as equals. You look for a strong-willed woman, latch on to her, but envy her strength and ability to express herself openly, so you attack her in vicious little ways. Ways so subtle that you can easily and convincingly deny any wrongdoing and make HER look like the crazy one for even suspecting that you are a passive-aggressive game player.

You played similar games with women before, and this was a chief motivator for their anger and "abuse" towards you. If they struck you physically, that was not right,
but when you paint yourself as a martyr, you *always* fail to mention the emotional and psychological abuse you were inflicting on THEM.

That's right, Martyr. You are an abuser. You. Poor little cringing, eternally victimized you.

"But abusers scream, yell and hit, and I never do that!" you protest. "I'm not that way at all. I don't have the anger gene. I am completely incapable of anger."


What you are incapable of is the truth. But I am capable of the truth and here it is.

You ARE capable of anger. In fact, you are a very angry person, as your father before you must have also been - he is clearly the one upon whom you have modeled your behavior. Like him, you were too intimidated by other people to express your anger openly, so you nursed your rage in secret and struck out instead in subtle little ways. If you were asked to do something, you made sure you "forgot" repeatedly or did a poor job. You no doubt carry this behavior on in your work and it is the reason most of the other employees don't like you. People tend not to like someone who does not do his share of the work and is sullen and resistant to new ideas. They are probably tired of your constant subterfuge and backstabbing. No doubt you also play the divide-and-conquer game, playing people off against one another.

You haven't said much about your mother, but I'll make a few educated guesses. She was a strong-willed woman who dominated you and your father, and you both resented it, but neither of you ever told her so directly. Neither of you had the courage to assert yourselves openly. So you both "got even" with her by lying, false promises, "forgetting" or otherwise sabotaging things she asked you to do, and/or withholding your attention and love.

Your mother was a model for how you view women today. As I have previously said, you go after women with strong, assertive personalities, because they fit your mother's model and because you admire them for the qualities that you yourself lack. However, you also hate them because they are strong and you are weak. Because you cannot assert yourself openly, you play psychological games designed to break them down, subvert their will, and subtly - invisibly - assert YOUR control.

That's right, Martyr Man. You want control. You are not able to control yourself and so you are controlled by others - but you resent it. So you get a feeling of control by manipulating situations with a deft, invisible hand. You "forget" that a woman asked you to do something. You "forget" NOT to do something she finds hurtful or disrespectful.

You remember to do the things YOU enjoy and want to do, and your friends think you're a great guy - the kind of guy who would do anything for his friends! (Of course you would - your reputation depends on maintaining an appearance of kindness and willingness, and anyone who doesn't know you WELL would say what a nice guy you are - you would do anything to maintain that image).... If she does something you REALLY don't like, such as attempt to leave you, you hint around at suicide and disappear, leaving her to agonize for days over your fate. Really, you're off hanging out with your buddies and drinking and having fun, but she doesn't need to know that, does she?

No doubt she has noticed the fact that after your initial, highly romantic and complimentary approach, you do a complete about-face once she's "hooked" - like Jerkily and Hyde. Once she's in a relationship with you, the kind and gentle and loving courtship behavior ceases, and the passive-aggressive battle begins. First, you begin by slowly and subtly creating distance between you - by spending less time with her every day (always her fault, because of something SHE did...) withholding your attention and affection, making sure she gets the message that your friends, your other interests, EVERYTHING else are more important to you than the person you called the love of your life. When she challenges you about this behavior, you deny it, and make her out to be irrational and crazy for even suspecting it. After all, the success of a passive-aggressive campaign depends on secrecy and camouflage.
You lie easily, leaving out little details like a wife you haven't yet legally severed ties to, and children that you almost never see. You haven't got a divorce, and you won't, because even though you hate your wife, you feel chained to her. You are dependent on her. It's a parasitic relationship.... I haven't the faintest doubt you have cheated on her many times and lied to her many times, and that was the real cause of the attack that so wounded you emotionally. You brought it on yourself, but you won't admit that part.

... Yet, you still cling to this desperate delusion that you are incapable of anger.

That's a lie, Mr. Martyr. One of many.

Lies undermine the trust that is vital to all relationships. But you don't care about that as long as you can feel in control. Even when control comes at the expense of love, and that is sad.

Nobody can get close to you, Martyr Man. You'll let them within a certain distance, but then you are frightened by intimacy and of your will being sublimated to another's because deep down inside you know you are not strong enough to assert your own will openly and directly.... You wither under direct confrontation, but when you are able to operate undetected, you are a cruel and effective bully.

Games You Play:

1. The forgetting game:

You are asked to do something you don't want to do. Instead of saying no, you either "forget" about it or sabotage it so badly that the results are useless. You enjoy the frustration this causes others - this is your sneaky way of asserting yourself and controlling the situation from behind the scenes.

2. The withholding game:

Once in a relationship with someone, you begin to selectively withhold your time and affection. The other person senses this pulling away and asks about it. You deny it. But you let them know, indirectly, that many other things are more important to you than they are - your friends, your work, your opera DVDs. You let them know this by leaving their company to pursue these interests without telling them you are doing so. You enjoy the feeling of being in control, knowing you have falsely promised someone your attention later in the evening and knowing you have no intention of fulfilling that promise. You will "forget" to come back, and enjoy your evening alone knowing you are ruining someone else's. When the person confronts you about this treatment, you will act put out at the suggestion that your actions should live up to your words. You just can't remember to keep your promises!

.... You know full well that this
t the way you like your partner to feel - that way she will be more dependent on you, desperate for your attention, and under your control.

3. The lying game:

Lies roll smoothly off your tongue whenever you are confronted about your behavior and/or something you failed to mention about your past, such as being currently married and the father of two children (now that is a big thing to "forget", even if you alienated them so badly that they don't want to spend any time with you any more). Lying by omission is lying, pure and simple. But you didn't lie on purpose, you claim. No, you just forgot, or your emotional pain was so great that you just couldn't bear to tell the truth!

4. The deflecting game:

Partner becoming suspicious of your lies? No matter, just deflect the attention! Change the subject, wander off, or start ruthlessly (and falsely) putting yourself down so that she won't have the heart to be "mean" enough to pursue the matter any further. If she persists, then you play:

5. The martyr game:

This is your favorite game of all. This game allows you to escape responsibility for anything and everything by invoking your status as the most misunderstood, mistreated, helpless and victimized martyr who ever walked the earth. Nobody understands you or your pain! Don't they see that being a victim completely justifies the way you turn around and become a victimizer at will? Nobody could ever suspect poor little abused, tormented you of torpedoing relationships.

Nobody could expect such an innocent little lamb of deliberately causing emotional and psychological damage to others. Why, look at the way he cries and curls up into a helpless little ball when confronted (and when the lying and deflecting games don't work)! He could never harm ANYONE.

.... The Martyr has no pity or compassion for anyone else, since he saves it all for himself.


6. The superior game:

Unlike all the other people on Earth, you're incapable of anger. You're a regular Gandhi, full of kindness and respect for all, and it's such a tragedy that other people feel the need to get angry at you. You'd never push someone's buttons until they responded in anger and then deny any wrongdoing, setting them up to look like the emotional, crazy one. You'd never get satisfaction out of a nasty little game like that, because you're too superior. You're also superior to the rest of the world culturally - nobody is as sensitive and artistic as you, and nobody appreciates your kind of music, or appreciates it at such a lofty level. You especially love to pull this routine after you've seriously pissed somebody off. You respond with calm politeness - calm of course, since you have got the angry/upset reaction you were aiming for - and double-whammy the person by showing them how YOU never get angry because you are too superior a person to be capable of anger. ...
No wonder you're so angry at being unmasked publicly. Your games depend on your victim not knowing what's going on.

You are not interested in confronting your problems or getting any help for them. You'd rather just float through life like a spineless jellyfish, stinging anyone who ventures too near. Your behavior patterns are firmly entrenched and you are too old to change.

I have no doubt you will continue this behavior pattern with the next woman you meet, and you will continue it until you drive her away, too. You like to drive women away - like to get them so fed up that they leave. That feeds your sickness in a number of ways:

it takes the burden of decision-making off of YOU;

* it enables you to play the martyr over being left by this cruel, horrible woman;
* it gets you sympathy from your next prospect.

You like hurting other people and you have no intention of changing.

And don't bother with the "I'm a wonderful sensitive human being who would never cause anyone harm; you've misunderstood me". Oh no. I have not. I have understood you at last.

I understand now how you messed with my mind and made me even fear for my own sanity, how you exploited me emotionally, how you hurt me to the point where I actually felt suicidal. (Dorsky, Campbell, Jacoby, Thomas and YidwithLid's targets all mentioned this, readers!)
..... It's called PROJECTION. It's what YOU would do in such a situation, so you project your own screwed up motives onto others.


For someone who is so wounded, so sensitive, so compassionate, so victimized, so gentle - your letters bristle with anger, threats, and nastiness. I thought you were incapable of such things, Gandhi. And you sure are lacking in any compassion at all for the women you've tormented - you have none for your wife and you have none for me. And no doubt you'll have none for your next victim.

You chose your life, and you choose to be this way. You choose it every day. You could change, and learn to be a person of truth, strength and integrity, but you choose not to. It's easier to sit in your shit and cry about how you are victimized while you are busy victimizing others. This is the life you've chosen. You have chosen to be unhappy, and to inflict unhappiness on others.




(While this is written for the male gender, your abuser could be a female martyr. Does this sound like your cyberpath/abuser? - EOPC)

Why do YOU Always Have to be Right, Martyr Man?

(this wonderful article can be read in its entirety at THIS SITE. It could be a letter to any of our cyberpaths. We recommend you read the whole thing at the site linked below! - EOPC)

Dear Martyr Man,

You will always be the victim, in every situation where someone tries to get close to you. You cannot relate to women as equals. You look for a strong-willed woman, latch on to her, but envy her strength and ability to express herself openly, so you attack her in vicious little ways. Ways so subtle that you can easily and convincingly deny any wrongdoing and make HER look like the crazy one for even suspecting that you are a passive-aggressive game player.

You played similar games with women before, and this was a chief motivator for their anger and "abuse" towards you. If they struck you physically, that was not right,
but when you paint yourself as a martyr, you *always* fail to mention the emotional and psychological abuse you were inflicting on THEM.

That's right, Martyr. You are an abuser. You. Poor little cringing, eternally victimized you.

"But abusers scream, yell and hit, and I never do that!" you protest. "I'm not that way at all. I don't have the anger gene. I am completely incapable of anger."


What you are incapable of is the truth. But I am capable of the truth and here it is.

You ARE capable of anger. In fact, you are a very angry person, as your father before you must have also been - he is clearly the one upon whom you have modeled your behavior. Like him, you were too intimidated by other people to express your anger openly, so you nursed your rage in secret and struck out instead in subtle little ways. If you were asked to do something, you made sure you "forgot" repeatedly or did a poor job. You no doubt carry this behavior on in your work and it is the reason most of the other employees don't like you. People tend not to like someone who does not do his share of the work and is sullen and resistant to new ideas. They are probably tired of your constant subterfuge and backstabbing. No doubt you also play the divide-and-conquer game, playing people off against one another.

You haven't said much about your mother, but I'll make a few educated guesses. She was a strong-willed woman who dominated you and your father, and you both resented it, but neither of you ever told her so directly. Neither of you had the courage to assert yourselves openly. So you both "got even" with her by lying, false promises, "forgetting" or otherwise sabotaging things she asked you to do, and/or withholding your attention and love.

Your mother was a model for how you view women today. As I have previously said, you go after women with strong, assertive personalities, because they fit your mother's model and because you admire them for the qualities that you yourself lack. However, you also hate them because they are strong and you are weak. Because you cannot assert yourself openly, you play psychological games designed to break them down, subvert their will, and subtly - invisibly - assert YOUR control.

That's right, Martyr Man. You want control. You are not able to control yourself and so you are controlled by others - but you resent it. So you get a feeling of control by manipulating situations with a deft, invisible hand. You "forget" that a woman asked you to do something. You "forget" NOT to do something she finds hurtful or disrespectful.

You remember to do the things YOU enjoy and want to do, and your friends think you're a great guy - the kind of guy who would do anything for his friends! (Of course you would - your reputation depends on maintaining an appearance of kindness and willingness, and anyone who doesn't know you WELL would say what a nice guy you are - you would do anything to maintain that image).... If she does something you REALLY don't like, such as attempt to leave you, you hint around at suicide and disappear, leaving her to agonize for days over your fate. Really, you're off hanging out with your buddies and drinking and having fun, but she doesn't need to know that, does she?

No doubt she has noticed the fact that after your initial, highly romantic and complimentary approach, you do a complete about-face once she's "hooked" - like Jerkily and Hyde. Once she's in a relationship with you, the kind and gentle and loving courtship behavior ceases, and the passive-aggressive battle begins. First, you begin by slowly and subtly creating distance between you - by spending less time with her every day (always her fault, because of something SHE did...) withholding your attention and affection, making sure she gets the message that your friends, your other interests, EVERYTHING else are more important to you than the person you called the love of your life. When she challenges you about this behavior, you deny it, and make her out to be irrational and crazy for even suspecting it. After all, the success of a passive-aggressive campaign depends on secrecy and camouflage.
You lie easily, leaving out little details like a wife you haven't yet legally severed ties to, and children that you almost never see. You haven't got a divorce, and you won't, because even though you hate your wife, you feel chained to her. You are dependent on her. It's a parasitic relationship.... I haven't the faintest doubt you have cheated on her many times and lied to her many times, and that was the real cause of the attack that so wounded you emotionally. You brought it on yourself, but you won't admit that part.

... Yet, you still cling to this desperate delusion that you are incapable of anger.

That's a lie, Mr. Martyr. One of many.

Lies undermine the trust that is vital to all relationships. But you don't care about that as long as you can feel in control. Even when control comes at the expense of love, and that is sad.

Nobody can get close to you, Martyr Man. You'll let them within a certain distance, but then you are frightened by intimacy and of your will being sublimated to another's because deep down inside you know you are not strong enough to assert your own will openly and directly.... You wither under direct confrontation, but when you are able to operate undetected, you are a cruel and effective bully.

Games You Play:

1. The forgetting game:

You are asked to do something you don't want to do. Instead of saying no, you either "forget" about it or sabotage it so badly that the results are useless. You enjoy the frustration this causes others - this is your sneaky way of asserting yourself and controlling the situation from behind the scenes.

2. The withholding game:

Once in a relationship with someone, you begin to selectively withhold your time and affection. The other person senses this pulling away and asks about it. You deny it. But you let them know, indirectly, that many other things are more important to you than they are - your friends, your work, your opera DVDs. You let them know this by leaving their company to pursue these interests without telling them you are doing so. You enjoy the feeling of being in control, knowing you have falsely promised someone your attention later in the evening and knowing you have no intention of fulfilling that promise. You will "forget" to come back, and enjoy your evening alone knowing you are ruining someone else's. When the person confronts you about this treatment, you will act put out at the suggestion that your actions should live up to your words. You just can't remember to keep your promises!

.... You know full well that this
t the way you like your partner to feel - that way she will be more dependent on you, desperate for your attention, and under your control.

3. The lying game:

Lies roll smoothly off your tongue whenever you are confronted about your behavior and/or something you failed to mention about your past, such as being currently married and the father of two children (now that is a big thing to "forget", even if you alienated them so badly that they don't want to spend any time with you any more). Lying by omission is lying, pure and simple. But you didn't lie on purpose, you claim. No, you just forgot, or your emotional pain was so great that you just couldn't bear to tell the truth!

4. The deflecting game:

Partner becoming suspicious of your lies? No matter, just deflect the attention! Change the subject, wander off, or start ruthlessly (and falsely) putting yourself down so that she won't have the heart to be "mean" enough to pursue the matter any further. If she persists, then you play:

5. The martyr game:

This is your favorite game of all. This game allows you to escape responsibility for anything and everything by invoking your status as the most misunderstood, mistreated, helpless and victimized martyr who ever walked the earth. Nobody understands you or your pain! Don't they see that being a victim completely justifies the way you turn around and become a victimizer at will? Nobody could ever suspect poor little abused, tormented you of torpedoing relationships.

Nobody could expect such an innocent little lamb of deliberately causing emotional and psychological damage to others. Why, look at the way he cries and curls up into a helpless little ball when confronted (and when the lying and deflecting games don't work)! He could never harm ANYONE.

.... The Martyr has no pity or compassion for anyone else, since he saves it all for himself.


6. The superior game:

Unlike all the other people on Earth, you're incapable of anger. You're a regular Gandhi, full of kindness and respect for all, and it's such a tragedy that other people feel the need to get angry at you. You'd never push someone's buttons until they responded in anger and then deny any wrongdoing, setting them up to look like the emotional, crazy one. You'd never get satisfaction out of a nasty little game like that, because you're too superior. You're also superior to the rest of the world culturally - nobody is as sensitive and artistic as you, and nobody appreciates your kind of music, or appreciates it at such a lofty level. You especially love to pull this routine after you've seriously pissed somebody off. You respond with calm politeness - calm of course, since you have got the angry/upset reaction you were aiming for - and double-whammy the person by showing them how YOU never get angry because you are too superior a person to be capable of anger. ...
No wonder you're so angry at being unmasked publicly. Your games depend on your victim not knowing what's going on.

You are not interested in confronting your problems or getting any help for them. You'd rather just float through life like a spineless jellyfish, stinging anyone who ventures too near. Your behavior patterns are firmly entrenched and you are too old to change.

I have no doubt you will continue this behavior pattern with the next woman you meet, and you will continue it until you drive her away, too. You like to drive women away - like to get them so fed up that they leave. That feeds your sickness in a number of ways:

it takes the burden of decision-making off of YOU;

* it enables you to play the martyr over being left by this cruel, horrible woman;
* it gets you sympathy from your next prospect.

You like hurting other people and you have no intention of changing.

And don't bother with the "I'm a wonderful sensitive human being who would never cause anyone harm; you've misunderstood me". Oh no. I have not. I have understood you at last.

I understand now how you messed with my mind and made me even fear for my own sanity, how you exploited me emotionally, how you hurt me to the point where I actually felt suicidal. (Dorsky, Campbell, Jacoby, Thomas and YidwithLid's targets all mentioned this, readers!)
..... It's called PROJECTION. It's what YOU would do in such a situation, so you project your own screwed up motives onto others.


For someone who is so wounded, so sensitive, so compassionate, so victimized, so gentle - your letters bristle with anger, threats, and nastiness. I thought you were incapable of such things, Gandhi. And you sure are lacking in any compassion at all for the women you've tormented - you have none for your wife and you have none for me. And no doubt you'll have none for your next victim.

You chose your life, and you choose to be this way. You choose it every day. You could change, and learn to be a person of truth, strength and integrity, but you choose not to. It's easier to sit in your shit and cry about how you are victimized while you are busy victimizing others. This is the life you've chosen. You have chosen to be unhappy, and to inflict unhappiness on others.




(While this is written for the male gender, your abuser could be a female martyr. Does this sound like your cyberpath/abuser? - EOPC)

Sunday, May 22, 2011

Beware "Guardian" and Her Proxy Recruitment




If you read this site, are a victim of abuse, have ever visited an abuse site, advocate for abuse victims or cyberpath victims - beware: GUARDIAN IS ON THE CASE!!!

An troll named Betsy Ashby - nicknamed Guardian has been in touch with Gary Stone, our 2 1/2 year harasser and 4 year harasser of his victims, who was just reprofiled, to let him know who they believe EOPC is and with "proof" of who we are! lol...




fromGary Stone backbeatone@gmail.com
dateFri, May 20, 2011 at 2:12

Sandra Brown has never communicated with me. Guardian has, and I have her name, her phone.Guardian, has sent me pdf
files, citing law suits against XXX,and in one of the pdf, it is clear, XXX's
hard drive, is under subpoena.I am not obliged to reveal this information, but
the case is filed in MO. I have had numerous visits to my varieuswars with you
from Mo as well. I have guardian's full information.
And, she says to me, that
Sandra Brown MA, from northCarolina, does not endorse you
. I have guardian's phone,and her website. And her name. The emphasis in the phonecall was placed, on sandra brown's dissassociation from yourblog. The caller named XXX, as one of two corrent writers XXX being the other. Lisa Scott, is also a "suspect"fighter, per Betsy, the first name of guardian. The blog she referred me to was writtern primarily by XXX and XXX,"the foul mouth one" is XXX

Gary Stone
......................

fromGary Stone
backbeatone@gmail.com
dateFri, May 20, 2011 at 3:39 PM
hide details May 20 (2 days ago)

I wont be forewarding the email to the source. Stop playing gane

www.toylan
derstpi.com
http://hubpages.com/profile/The+Toylanders
http://www.ilike.com/artist/The+Toylanders

Guardian is going to feed Stone and her minions on Cassiopaea.org the names of people she doesn't like to cyberpaths in her proxy recruitment of harassers. And she's going to dig up 'evidence' even if its 20 years old or invalid or fabricated, keep screaming loud & long hoping that will give it the air of 'truth' and force it to fit! LOL

.......................

Don't confuse Stone with reality, readers - Guardian has told him everything he needs to know. LOL


Guardian aka Betsy Ashby appears to be a woman from North Carolina (our ruse got her to rant and in her making fun of us - give us further information) who has been trolling the net for years and has been banned from or kicked off of numerous abuse support sites, native american, new age and pagan sites in the past.

She decided to bestow her bounty of erroneous, assumed secret 'facts' on Stone as her proxy to harass and hassle people who have called her on what she does to other victims in the past. She purposely fed Stone the names of people she (and her BFF Sandra Brown, MA) wants harassed; one of them just happens to be an old victim of a cyberpath who Stone keeps poking at; and she strung together her research to make it seem plausible; Making it seem she's "figured it all out" and is just helping poor Stone!


"When caught in a lie or challenged with the truth, they are seldom perplexed or embarrassed--they simply change their stories or attempt to rework the facts so that they appear to be consistent with the lie." (Dr. Robert Hare, Author WITHOUT CONSCIENCE)


Stone believes because Ashby gave him her phone number and "name" she must actually know something! He doesn't realize he's being used and this whole thing will only torpedo whatever chance at a 'case' he may still have had. She strung together a bunch of unrelated facts, sprinkled in some lies, assumptions and misstatements and presented it as a cohesive whole. Sound familiar, readers?

She's not 'helping' anyone - she's simply starting one of her many smear campaigns, which she has done in the past. With too much time on her hands, she's online causing trouble. She seems to be fixated on a handful of people. She's not exposing anyone who's abusing the internet and others - she's decided to ASSIST poor poor cyberpaths, harassers & predators who DESERVED to be exposed! Perhaps this handful of people she attacks have caught her or her friends doing things they shouldn't have been?


http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,8379.0.html

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,23677.0.html

---------------------------------

FROM: http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1234.0


Ashby issued dozens of threats of lawsuits, none of which were ever carried out. In fact, her lawyer's tactics were so sleazy and unethical, he faced being disbarred and only avoided any action from his state bar by concealing his address.



And as already pointed out , when she [Ashby] doesn't like someone she appears very willing to ignore obvious information that casts her so called documentation into doubt.

Betsy Ashby has a talent for selecting the facts that support the point she wants to make, inventing a few things that aren't fact at all, and leaving out everything that doesn't support the story she wants people to believe .

Yes, Ashby's campaigns have been a spectacular and downright laughable failure.

Since we started in 2005, the ONLY ones interested in who we are - are ALWAYS THOSE WE EXPOSE!!!

Guardian thinks that if abuse victims know each other, if bloggers know each other - then LOGICALLY they are all in cahoots against innocent people like GARY STONE!!! ROFL!

Guardian said our anonymity = weak yet we don't see her advertising who she is. We see her shrieking about anyone who is digging up information about her yet she feels totally justified to post people's addresses, phone numbers, employers, children - online. All things we never do because it can and does harm innocent people and is actionable as a part of IDENTITY THEFT!

No, we see her trouble-making and feeling all powerful behind a keyboard. Sounds a bit like a cyberpath. Who we are is immaterial to anyone but a cyberpath, predator or harasser that we catch.Those innocent people Guardian is trying very very hard to TIE TOGETHER; none of whom are us and most of whom we DID NOT EVEN KNOW UNTIL NOW... have been kind enough to show us their evidence of GUARDIAN's malicious stalking!! (more coming and when it does we will post it):

Here's just ONE our statistics on Guardian's many visits here:

Entry Page Time: 20 May 2011 07:53:47 PM
Visit Length: 32 mins 7 secs
Browser: Firefox 3.5
OS: WinVista
Resolution: 1280x800
Location: United States
IP Address:
Frontier Communications (50.55.222.199)
Referring URL:
http://www.google.com/ gary stone
Entry Page:
http://cyberpaths.blogspot.com/
Exit Page:
http://cyberpaths.blogspot.com/


Here's the statistics from another blog:


Number of Visits: 145

Entry Page Time: 20 May 2011 06:52:27 PM
Visit Length: 2 hours 53 mins 3 secs
Browser: Firefox 3.5
OS: WinVista
Resolution: 1280x800





Location: United States
IP Address: Frontier Communications (50.55.222.199)

16 May 04:48:56 PM
file:///C:/Users/Public/Downloads/PredatorArchive/ahc/st-melissa-kester-livin-in-victimhood.html
(No referring link) 16 May 04:51:23 PM
file:///C:/Users/Public/Downloads/PredatorArchive/ahc/melissa-kester-preyed-upon-and-bilked.html
(No referring link) 16 May 04:54:54 PM
file:///C:/Users/Public/Downloads/PredatorArchive/ahc/my-dead-psychopath-my-film.html
(No referring link) 16 May 05:01:35 PM
file:///C:/Users/Public/Downloads/PredatorArchive/ahc/anyone-else-see-uncanny-resemblance.html
(No referring link) 16 May 05:05:05 PM
file:///C:/Users/Public/Downloads/PredatorArchive/ahc/payday.html
(No referring link) 19 May 02:34:50 PM
file:///C:/Users/Public/Downloads/PredatorArchive/ahc/anyone-else-see-uncanny-resemblance.html
(No referring link) 19 May 02:36:49 PM
file:///C:/Users/Public/Downloads/PredatorArchive/ahc/her-pathological-games.html
(No referring link) 19 May 02:45:42 PM
file:///C:/Users/Guardian/Documents/_MaryM/ahc/screenwriter-melissa-kester-what-joke.html
(No referring link) 19 May 02:52:14 PM
file:///C:/Users/Guardian/Documents/_MaryM/ahc/waxed-skankfish-im-sure-kester-gets.html


__________________

Guardian has a lot on her hard drive, doesn't she? She's the judge & jury with her "PREDATOR ARCHIVE"!

___________________

Guardian has a specific agenda against certain people and she's trying to play them against one another. Guardian must have way too much time on her hands!

(you do know Guardian - DOWNLOADING THESE THINGS FROM PEOPLE'S BLOGS IS A COPYRIGHT VIOLATION UNDER FEDERAL LAW??? oh wait, Guardian "knows" the law because Guardian "is" the law - on her planet.)

Guardian says she's got SCREENSHOTS of people's COMPUTERS!! That's an admission of hacking... too late Guardian - we took a screenshot of that post on Cassiopea and passed it along to those you're accusing so they can take it to Frontier Communications and law enforcment as EVIDENCE OF HACKING... another Federal offense. BTW - our screen shot? Was on an open, public forum... not someone's private computer.

On top of that, we have made no secret that XXX has allowed us to use her miniserver since 2005 as thanks for outing her cyberpath. We have proxy servers that we can just plug server numbers into - so it looks like we could be any one of the millions of people using the same server and IP as XXX. XXX is a DV advocate who has helped many many other advocates such as us: Sandra Brown, MA; Dr. Robert Hare and so on. Are you merely a psychopath trying to attack those of us who fight to educate people about someone like you? Nice try, Guardian!

And why your very unnatural and perverted interest? or in cyberstalking XXX and XXX? aside from helping poor, poor Gary Stone?? what's YOUR agenda Guardian? Linking Lissa Daly (from Australia or New Zealand) to the targets of your stalking and rage? Who cares about lawsuits, web postings or comments by others who may be some of the victims we support?? or someone we don't even know?? You seem to have a lot of time to stalk and harass people, Guardian - or give innocent names to people like Stone to get them to participate in your game playing? Who cares? We care about the victims we support & validate.

What is clear is that you seem more interested in hurting as many unrelated, blameless people as you can with your ridiculous assumptions.

And feeding these people to someone like Stone as 'proof' of something you have 'uncovered'? -- you're an idiot Guardian.


BEWARE FELLOW BLOGGERS: Frontier Communications on your statistics? in your hits? It's GUARDIAN ON THE CASE!

for JUST some of the incoherent ravings of Gary Stone that he got from his new BFF "Guardian" CLICK HERE

Betsy/ Guardian keeps feeding Stone's persecution complex then sitting back to enjoy the show. (much like Scott Powers did!!)

Here's just some of Guardian's venom against EOPC and innocent people they want Stone and others to think are us, using cult leader Laura Knight Jadcyzk's Cassiopaea forum to do it (read the last 5 or 6 posts)
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8379.msg258751#new

Guardian - you're cyberstalking people and passing along twisted "facts" to known crazies in order to make trouble -- and we're on to you. You thought you could destroy this blog and harm innocent people at the same time. Once we find out everything about you - you'll be exposed too.

Seems you do this harassing - accusing - stalking A LOT Guardian, er Betsy, er Bettie, er Nancy:

http://64.38.12.138/boardx/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35406

http://mail.indianz.com/boardx/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=36235&whichpage=4

https://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.asatru/browse_thread/thread/50f9dcda79475d49

http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=20972122 SEXUAL ABUSE OF A YOUNG GIRL?!

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?action=printpage;topic=2312.0ttp://www.nntpnews.info/threads/9930250-Betsy-Ashby-Guardian-is-a-Hypocrite has this gem:

Betsy Guardain claims to defend people from predators but defends the
predators she likes
. .. I see a false Guardian. A Guardian who thinks shes the exception to her own rules. I call that hypocracy. I call that deceptive and corrupt.



http://mail.indianz.com/boardx/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=36235&whichpage=4 You do this a lot don't you Guardian? Don't you have a real job?


Does Sandra Brown, MA know what her volunteer office assistant is up to? That's she's allowing a serial harasser to have full access to her emails, client list, people's personal information? That you probably send out emails AS Ms. Brown, Betsy? Did Brown even bother to check you out?


It is also deeply troubling that Laura Knight Jadzyck is aiding in your smear and disinformation campaign.

Don't you remember the old saying that 'when you throw mud at others your own hands get dirty.' No? how about the one about throwing stones when you live in a GLASS HOUSE?

CHECK MATE, Guardian


_____________________

Sandra Brown, MA's volunteer office assistant, advocate and helper is GUARDIAN. When you get email from Brown - it may not be from her but from BETSY ASHBY! You may be pouring your heart out to a serial harasser.:

Bettie (Betsy). Ashby

Out of the Dark, Inc..

76XX Whispering Pines Trail

Windsor, VA 23487

(757) XXX-0664


----------------

Anyone with more information about Ashby/ Guardian's online activities - please contact us. (we are not interested in her family, address or phone number or their jobs, just her online 'busy' work)

Beware "Guardian" and Her Proxy Recruitment




If you read this site, are a victim of abuse, have ever visited an abuse site, advocate for abuse victims or cyberpath victims - beware: GUARDIAN IS ON THE CASE!!!

An troll named Betsy Ashby - nicknamed Guardian has been in touch with Gary Stone, our 2 1/2 year harasser and 4 year harasser of his victims, who was just reprofiled, to let him know who they believe EOPC is and with "proof" of who we are! lol...




fromGary Stone backbeatone@gmail.com
dateFri, May 20, 2011 at 2:12

Sandra Brown has never communicated with me. Guardian has, and I have her name, her phone.Guardian, has sent me pdf
files, citing law suits against XXX,and in one of the pdf, it is clear, XXX's
hard drive, is under subpoena.I am not obliged to reveal this information, but
the case is filed in MO. I have had numerous visits to my varieuswars with you
from Mo as well. I have guardian's full information.
And, she says to me, that
Sandra Brown MA, from northCarolina, does not endorse you
. I have guardian's phone,and her website. And her name. The emphasis in the phonecall was placed, on sandra brown's dissassociation from yourblog. The caller named XXX, as one of two corrent writers XXX being the other. Lisa Scott, is also a "suspect"fighter, per Betsy, the first name of guardian. The blog she referred me to was writtern primarily by XXX and XXX,"the foul mouth one" is XXX

Gary Stone
......................

fromGary Stone
backbeatone@gmail.com
dateFri, May 20, 2011 at 3:39 PM
hide details May 20 (2 days ago)

I wont be forewarding the email to the source. Stop playing gane

www.toylan
derstpi.com
http://hubpages.com/profile/The+Toylanders
http://www.ilike.com/artist/The+Toylanders

Guardian is going to feed Stone and her minions on Cassiopaea.org the names of people she doesn't like to cyberpaths in her proxy recruitment of harassers. And she's going to dig up 'evidence' even if its 20 years old or invalid or fabricated, keep screaming loud & long hoping that will give it the air of 'truth' and force it to fit! LOL

.......................

Don't confuse Stone with reality, readers - Guardian has told him everything he needs to know. LOL


Guardian aka Betsy Ashby appears to be a woman from North Carolina (our ruse got her to rant and in her making fun of us - give us further information) who has been trolling the net for years and has been banned from or kicked off of numerous abuse support sites, native american, new age and pagan sites in the past.

She decided to bestow her bounty of erroneous, assumed secret 'facts' on Stone as her proxy to harass and hassle people who have called her on what she does to other victims in the past. She purposely fed Stone the names of people she (and her BFF Sandra Brown, MA) wants harassed; one of them just happens to be an old victim of a cyberpath who Stone keeps poking at; and she strung together her research to make it seem plausible; Making it seem she's "figured it all out" and is just helping poor Stone!


"When caught in a lie or challenged with the truth, they are seldom perplexed or embarrassed--they simply change their stories or attempt to rework the facts so that they appear to be consistent with the lie." (Dr. Robert Hare, Author WITHOUT CONSCIENCE)


Stone believes because Ashby gave him her phone number and "name" she must actually know something! He doesn't realize he's being used and this whole thing will only torpedo whatever chance at a 'case' he may still have had. She strung together a bunch of unrelated facts, sprinkled in some lies, assumptions and misstatements and presented it as a cohesive whole. Sound familiar, readers?

She's not 'helping' anyone - she's simply starting one of her many smear campaigns, which she has done in the past. With too much time on her hands, she's online causing trouble. She seems to be fixated on a handful of people. She's not exposing anyone who's abusing the internet and others - she's decided to ASSIST poor poor cyberpaths, harassers & predators who DESERVED to be exposed! Perhaps this handful of people she attacks have caught her or her friends doing things they shouldn't have been?


http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,8379.0.html

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,23677.0.html

---------------------------------

FROM: http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1234.0


Ashby issued dozens of threats of lawsuits, none of which were ever carried out. In fact, her lawyer's tactics were so sleazy and unethical, he faced being disbarred and only avoided any action from his state bar by concealing his address.



And as already pointed out , when she [Ashby] doesn't like someone she appears very willing to ignore obvious information that casts her so called documentation into doubt.

Betsy Ashby has a talent for selecting the facts that support the point she wants to make, inventing a few things that aren't fact at all, and leaving out everything that doesn't support the story she wants people to believe .

Yes, Ashby's campaigns have been a spectacular and downright laughable failure.

Since we started in 2005, the ONLY ones interested in who we are - are ALWAYS THOSE WE EXPOSE!!!

Guardian thinks that if abuse victims know each other, if bloggers know each other - then LOGICALLY they are all in cahoots against innocent people like GARY STONE!!! ROFL!

Guardian said our anonymity = weak yet we don't see her advertising who she is. We see her shrieking about anyone who is digging up information about her yet she feels totally justified to post people's addresses, phone numbers, employers, children - online. All things we never do because it can and does harm innocent people and is actionable as a part of IDENTITY THEFT!

No, we see her trouble-making and feeling all powerful behind a keyboard. Sounds a bit like a cyberpath. Who we are is immaterial to anyone but a cyberpath, predator or harasser that we catch.Those innocent people Guardian is trying very very hard to TIE TOGETHER; none of whom are us and most of whom we DID NOT EVEN KNOW UNTIL NOW... have been kind enough to show us their evidence of GUARDIAN's malicious stalking!! (more coming and when it does we will post it):

Here's just ONE our statistics on Guardian's many visits here:

Entry Page Time: 20 May 2011 07:53:47 PM
Visit Length: 32 mins 7 secs
Browser: Firefox 3.5
OS: WinVista
Resolution: 1280x800
Location: United States
IP Address:
Frontier Communications (50.55.222.199)
Referring URL:
http://www.google.com/ gary stone
Entry Page:
http://cyberpaths.blogspot.com/
Exit Page:
http://cyberpaths.blogspot.com/


Here's the statistics from another blog:


Number of Visits: 145

Entry Page Time: 20 May 2011 06:52:27 PM
Visit Length: 2 hours 53 mins 3 secs
Browser: Firefox 3.5
OS: WinVista
Resolution: 1280x800





Location: United States
IP Address: Frontier Communications (50.55.222.199)

16 May 04:48:56 PM
file:///C:/Users/Public/Downloads/PredatorArchive/ahc/st-melissa-kester-livin-in-victimhood.html
(No referring link) 16 May 04:51:23 PM
file:///C:/Users/Public/Downloads/PredatorArchive/ahc/melissa-kester-preyed-upon-and-bilked.html
(No referring link) 16 May 04:54:54 PM
file:///C:/Users/Public/Downloads/PredatorArchive/ahc/my-dead-psychopath-my-film.html
(No referring link) 16 May 05:01:35 PM
file:///C:/Users/Public/Downloads/PredatorArchive/ahc/anyone-else-see-uncanny-resemblance.html
(No referring link) 16 May 05:05:05 PM
file:///C:/Users/Public/Downloads/PredatorArchive/ahc/payday.html
(No referring link) 19 May 02:34:50 PM
file:///C:/Users/Public/Downloads/PredatorArchive/ahc/anyone-else-see-uncanny-resemblance.html
(No referring link) 19 May 02:36:49 PM
file:///C:/Users/Public/Downloads/PredatorArchive/ahc/her-pathological-games.html
(No referring link) 19 May 02:45:42 PM
file:///C:/Users/Guardian/Documents/_MaryM/ahc/screenwriter-melissa-kester-what-joke.html
(No referring link) 19 May 02:52:14 PM
file:///C:/Users/Guardian/Documents/_MaryM/ahc/waxed-skankfish-im-sure-kester-gets.html


__________________

Guardian has a lot on her hard drive, doesn't she? She's the judge & jury with her "PREDATOR ARCHIVE"!

___________________

Guardian has a specific agenda against certain people and she's trying to play them against one another. Guardian must have way too much time on her hands!

(you do know Guardian - DOWNLOADING THESE THINGS FROM PEOPLE'S BLOGS IS A COPYRIGHT VIOLATION UNDER FEDERAL LAW??? oh wait, Guardian "knows" the law because Guardian "is" the law - on her planet.)

Guardian says she's got SCREENSHOTS of people's COMPUTERS!! That's an admission of hacking... too late Guardian - we took a screenshot of that post on Cassiopea and passed it along to those you're accusing so they can take it to Frontier Communications and law enforcment as EVIDENCE OF HACKING... another Federal offense. BTW - our screen shot? Was on an open, public forum... not someone's private computer.

On top of that, we have made no secret that XXX has allowed us to use her miniserver since 2005 as thanks for outing her cyberpath. We have proxy servers that we can just plug server numbers into - so it looks like we could be any one of the millions of people using the same server and IP as XXX. XXX is a DV advocate who has helped many many other advocates such as us: Sandra Brown, MA; Dr. Robert Hare and so on. Are you merely a psychopath trying to attack those of us who fight to educate people about someone like you? Nice try, Guardian!

And why your very unnatural and perverted interest? or in cyberstalking XXX and XXX? aside from helping poor, poor Gary Stone?? what's YOUR agenda Guardian? Linking Lissa Daly (from Australia or New Zealand) to the targets of your stalking and rage? Who cares about lawsuits, web postings or comments by others who may be some of the victims we support?? or someone we don't even know?? You seem to have a lot of time to stalk and harass people, Guardian - or give innocent names to people like Stone to get them to participate in your game playing? Who cares? We care about the victims we support & validate.

What is clear is that you seem more interested in hurting as many unrelated, blameless people as you can with your ridiculous assumptions.

And feeding these people to someone like Stone as 'proof' of something you have 'uncovered'? -- you're an idiot Guardian.


BEWARE FELLOW BLOGGERS: Frontier Communications on your statistics? in your hits? It's GUARDIAN ON THE CASE!

for JUST some of the incoherent ravings of Gary Stone that he got from his new BFF "Guardian" CLICK HERE

Betsy/ Guardian keeps feeding Stone's persecution complex then sitting back to enjoy the show. (much like Scott Powers did!!)

Here's just some of Guardian's venom against EOPC and innocent people they want Stone and others to think are us, using cult leader Laura Knight Jadcyzk's Cassiopaea forum to do it (read the last 5 or 6 posts)
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8379.msg258751#new

Guardian - you're cyberstalking people and passing along twisted "facts" to known crazies in order to make trouble -- and we're on to you. You thought you could destroy this blog and harm innocent people at the same time. Once we find out everything about you - you'll be exposed too.

Seems you do this harassing - accusing - stalking A LOT Guardian, er Betsy, er Bettie, er Nancy:

http://64.38.12.138/boardx/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35406

http://mail.indianz.com/boardx/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=36235&whichpage=4

https://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.asatru/browse_thread/thread/50f9dcda79475d49

http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=20972122 SEXUAL ABUSE OF A YOUNG GIRL?!

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?action=printpage;topic=2312.0ttp://www.nntpnews.info/threads/9930250-Betsy-Ashby-Guardian-is-a-Hypocrite has this gem:

Betsy Guardain claims to defend people from predators but defends the
predators she likes
. .. I see a false Guardian. A Guardian who thinks shes the exception to her own rules. I call that hypocracy. I call that deceptive and corrupt.



http://mail.indianz.com/boardx/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=36235&whichpage=4 You do this a lot don't you Guardian? Don't you have a real job?


Does Sandra Brown, MA know what her volunteer office assistant is up to? That's she's allowing a serial harasser to have full access to her emails, client list, people's personal information? That you probably send out emails AS Ms. Brown, Betsy? Did Brown even bother to check you out?


It is also deeply troubling that Laura Knight Jadzyck is aiding in your smear and disinformation campaign.

Don't you remember the old saying that 'when you throw mud at others your own hands get dirty.' No? how about the one about throwing stones when you live in a GLASS HOUSE?

CHECK MATE, Guardian


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Sandra Brown, MA's volunteer office assistant, advocate and helper is GUARDIAN. When you get email from Brown - it may not be from her but from BETSY ASHBY! You may be pouring your heart out to a serial harasser.:

Bettie (Betsy). Ashby

Out of the Dark, Inc..

76XX Whispering Pines Trail

Windsor, VA 23487

(757) XXX-0664


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Anyone with more information about Ashby/ Guardian's online activities - please contact us. (we are not interested in her family, address or phone number or their jobs, just her online 'busy' work)

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